[MD] For Arlo

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

Arlo! - not that I want to hinder you in your eternal battle against Platt 
(and I am rooting for you: as one commie scum to another  =] ) but I would 
like your thoughts on this I think.

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Yes, we seem to be in agreement on the major point's I'd say. But what get's
me wondering is this the creation of the mythos - I'd say that the mythos
naturally has to begin to develop for the intellectual level to form.. When
you describe the intellectual level as beeing

> "the level of symbolic self-reflection, when humans turned from using
> their symbols
> to represent experience and considered them as real "things in themselves"

I tend to both agree and disagree. It seems to me that when humans started
this process, of actually reflecting over "things" in the mythos this is the
seed of the intellectual level, however, I still think that identifying the
core conflict between the two levels is paramount if we are to truly set a
division point - since all levels start out growing as children within their
parent levels we can see the process that is eventually leading up to their
forming, but it is only when they aquire a distinct different view of how to
pursuit Quality that they can be identified as fully formed levels I think.
Reasoning along that line I would say that when humans started to view
examine things in the mythos for no other propose than understanding them  -
only then are they truly driven by the intellectual level.

So; conscious reflection over the symbols created by a growing mythos NOT in
service of the mythos.

What do you say? Perhaps we are more in agreement than not?

Regards
Chris