[MD] Core problemS

[Ron Kulp]

[Ron, quoting Pirsig] 
>"They are discreet. They have very 
> little to do with one another. Although each higher level is built on
a 
> lower one it is not an extension of that lower level." 

> conflicts with: 

> "Just as 
> every biological pattern is also inorganic, but not all inorganic 
> patterns are biological; and just as every social level is also 
> biological, although not all biological patterns are social; so every 
> intellectual pattern is social although not all social patterns are 
> intellectual." 


Craig:
The first quote is about LEVELS & the second about PATTERNS. 
The LEVELS are discrete, but PATTERNS can be part of different 
LEVELS. QED 
Craig 

Ron:
I don't know Craig, First, I'd like to address your immediate comment
then
introduce another consideration in the question.

Discrete (comparative more discrete, superlative most discrete)

Separate; distinct; individual. 
Something that can be perceived individually and not as connected to, or
part of something else. 
(electrical engineering) Having separate electronic components, such as
individual resistors and inductors - the opposite of integrated
circuitry. 
(audio engineering) Having separate and independent channels of audio,
as opposed to multiplexed stereo or quadraphonic, or other multi-channel
sound. 
(topology) Having each singleton subset open: said of a topological
space or a topology.

Ron:
This is why I asked Krimel as to how he used and understood the term, he

interpreted as Separate; distinct; individual. Not integrated in any
way.

Paul turners letter specifically cites integration.

integration is integration, whether levels or patterns
discrete is discrete whether levels of patterns of those levels.

other wise discrete and integrate become what is known as "weasel"
words (they mean anything you like given the situation)

to introduce another factor

discrete and discreet differ in meaning, Pirsigs original statement used

the word "discreet" while he defined the term "discrete" in relation to
the levels.

"Discreet" means inconspicuous. Not prominent or easily noticeable.

I am looking for some clarification in meaning, we hold Ham to this
standard don't we?