[MD] For Peter

[Platt Holden]

> >> [Arlo]
> > > Do you think Krimel's "spontaneously arising configurations
> > > of order" is more "sophisticated?"
> > 
> > [Ham]
> > I haven't been able to locate a Krimel statement with these specific
> > quoted references, although "spontaneously arising" is always
> problematic.
> 
> 
> [Platt]
> "Problematic" is very kind considering this articulates the faith of 
> science while at the same time demeaning faith.
> 
> [Krimel]
> It does not require faith to observe, hurricanes, tornados, dust devils,
> jet
> streams, ocean currents, whirlpools, soap bubbles, clouds, crystals,
> stars,
> planets, galaxies, elliptical orbits, seasons, volcanoes, lunar phases,
> aurora borealis, lightning bolts, sand dunes, snow flakes, rainbows,
> ripples
> and river beds. 

[Platt] I remind you of the logical fallacy of False Analogy.  

> "Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone."
> - Chuang-tzu

[Platt] A basic conservative principle. Thanks for the quote.

> Static order goes
> Where dynamic fluid flows
> What's the problem?
> - Case

[Platt] Dynamic and static go together like inside and outside. You can't 
have one without the other. What's the point?