[MD] Core problemS

Magnus Berg McMagnus at home.se
Thu Aug 28 22:01:38 PDT 2008


Hi Krimel

> [Krimel]
> My problems with the levels not being discrete are on different grounds but
> I think Craig raised a good point.
> 
> The quote from the letter just adds another "level" of confusion. If all
> biological patterns are in inorganic, all social patterns, biological and
> all intellectual patterns social doesn't that make all patterns inorganic?
> 
> Isn't this all just crass evil reductionism?

Aha, so that's what you think? Actually, the dependency part of the level inter 
relationship *is* rather reductionist.

But it's the other aspect that adds the really juicy stuff. It acknowledges that 
each level is a completely new type of experience, and as such a new (and 
discrete) plane of existence.

Take for example smell, according to the reductionist dependency of the levels, 
it's *possible* to describe parts of what a smell is in terms of inorganic 
patterns. The parts we can describe is how a smell would look inorganically.
But what we *cannot* describe in that way is how that smell *smells* to an 
animal. And the thing is, the animal couldn't care less how the smell's 
inorganic patterns looks like, its only concern is how the smell *smells*. This 
is the biological plane of existence and is absolutely discrete with regards to 
the inorganic.

	Magnus





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