[MD] What is SOM?

[David M]

Krim

No problem with any of that as long as you accept that
mechanism or probability are no less anthropocentric too,just
different analogies, often with aeasthetic reasons for preference
not any less anthropoligical really is it?

I agree experience has too much baggage, can we split it?

Proberience anyone? or  even just inorganic preferences?

DM


>> [Krimel]
>> Perhaps you don't find talk of the experiences of rocks and sponges
>> confusing. Truth is I don't either. I find them laughable. What is
>> confusing is why anyone would talk that way.
>
>
> DM: We have to talk some way and each way has implications
> and assumptions. How do you want to talk about inorganic forms
> of behaviour and activity? Does not 'law' side step how inorganic
> patterns behave and feel? What does law mean or even tendency?
> Is there someone following laws or preferences. Is your use
> of concepts laughable? Please persuade me otherwise.
>
> [Krimel]
> I think that the term experience carries way to much biological baggage to
> be applied at the inorganic level. I don't think inorganic entities 
> "behave"
> either. But again I am willing to write this off as terminological
> preference on my part.
>
> Laws of nature are not what they used to be. In my view a solid natural 
> law
> is a Jungian synchronicity that occurs 100% of the time. A Jungian
> synchronicity is a meaningful coincidence. It is the meaningful
> juxtaposition of two or more events and the meaning we derive from lawlike
> synchronicity is causality (in a very loose use of the term). Meaning is 
> the
> critical point. Similarly, laws can be expressed as probabilities. I think
> probability is a much better term than preference. If it's all the same to
> you I would just a soon skip the anthropomorphizing animism discussion.
> Suffice it to say you never convinced me it was a good idea and I never
> convinced you it wasn't.
>
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