[MD] A fine mess

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From: "skutvik at online.no" <skutvik at online.no>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 4:02:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] A fine mess


Ron:
Quoting Bodvar-
"Intellect is not SOM in a metaphysical sense"......

"merely the distinction in a - um - pragmatic 
sense, and I believe that these two aspects can be kept apart."

Well bless my heart, is'nt this what I've been beating my head on for the
past year only to be ridiculed and deemed inscrutable? 

Bo:
According to the MOQ intellect's purpose is to "tame" social patterns 
(that have free rein under anti-intellect conditions. For instance, Nazi 
Germany was a most law-abiding country only matched by Iran these 
days) and as SOM it did  that job, but like the sorcerer's apprentice it 
had learned the start formula but not to stop and this was what Pirsig 
lamented in ZAMM. 

That book looked upon SOM as "morally bereft" and longed for the 
Aretê era when morals were all. But in a MOQ context the levels are 
moral increases, Aretê is era when social value was leading edge and 
SOM intellect entering the stage.. However their static quality prevents 
the levels from from understanding the Q context and thus not 
knowing when to stop taming their parents. 

And THIS is the reason for intellect's relentless persecution of social 
good, which is an earlier "taming" of biological license and if brought 
too far brings "dreadful nights" upon us. Only with the MOQ this 
context was revealed and intellect thereby "tamed" - not from inside, 
that's impossible lest it becomes something else than a static level, but 
by the MOQ. 

And - I can't resist kicking asses - this is why the "intellectuals" of this 
forum dislike Platt (most friendly of course) he looks to them as 
promoting social value, while he really promotes the Quality view a 
view they haven't understood. 

Ron:
What must be understood is that this "Quality" view is a self reflective view.
MoQ is the intellectual pattern that is self reflective. It re-examines old ideas
and lower level patterns, in this way it is unique. Precisly because it does
not see itself as THE truth, but an un bias selection from all patterns in terms
of it's value.
Therefore one may resurect Arete and place it as dialectic with truth which
allows for a system of ascertaining the best possible intellectual explanation
from many truths while still keeping a moral integrity.
No doubt MoQ stands alone as a self reflective metaphysical system
 But it does not make it THE truth, but a way to derrive a high quality 
(arete) explaination from many truths. The levels give us the ability
to make the distinction and select from the highest quality patterns
from each level thereby not only improving explaination but also
creating a better life.









 
Hi Platt
(seeking refuge from Ron)

2 Dec.you pointed to the low morals:

> Just a follow up to Khoo's observation: "SOM may come to be the
> 'universal human condition' but the world is a fine mess as a result."
> >From Breitbart.com: "American teenagers lie, steal and cheat more at
> "alarming rates," a study of nearly 30,000 high school students
> concluded Monday. ... 

and concluded:

> The inevitable fallout of morally bereft SOM? I think so. 

You alter between (agreeing with me regarding) SOM as the highest 
static good and as the cause of social decay. I believe the 
metaphysics issue is the fulcrum. Intellect is not SOM in a 
metaphysical sense, merely the distinction in a - um - pragmatic 
sense, and I believe that these two aspects can be kept apart.