[MD] Instant Karma

[ml]

akieffer,

Pardon my jumping in, but the last two sentences are not
meant to be obscure, they're experiental.  By analogy, a
similar thing you have already likely experienced.

Have you ever run down stairs and tripped?

1) When you try to FORCE control onto the body and
make the feet go here to catch yourself, you end up in
a sprawl, a heap, or dangling inelegantly from the banister.

When you see it, you don't see it.""  (It's similar to this.)

2) When you sort of let the feet and legs find their rhythm,
a step or two may skip or double tap, but  you mostly
come through fine--heart beating a little faster, but the
body found the way without interference.

When you don't see it, you see it.  (It would be like this.)


thanks--mel

----- Original Message -----
From: "kieffer odigaunt" <kieffer.odigaunt at googlemail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Instant Karma


> Marsha, you know i was referring to Pao-t'ung's message; all those other
> shores, true sources, original face, unborn, free spirits, etc etc - it is
> too vague. And the last two sentences - why does he have to be so obscure?
I
> suppose if all that stuff doesnt make sense to me that must mean that i am
> not spiritual enough, or not compassionate enough, or not sensitive
enough.
> I like the Tao Te Ching alright but that passage only depresses me. I cant
> give you an interpretation because the passage is just too inpenetrable
for
> me.
>
> -KO
>
> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>
> >
> > KO,
> >
> > I'd be curious to what message you are questioning, and your
interpretation
> > of it?
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 05:23 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> Marhsa, are you open to the idea that the message may be misleading,
> >> impractical and impossible; it is scary to cast off ideas that we have
> >> clung
> >> to for years.
> >>
> >> -KO
> >>
> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I do not doubt it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 03:01 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> ... and you really credit this Marsha?
> >> >>
> >> >> -KO
> >> >>
> >> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Pao-t'ung says "The sutras say to cross a river we need a raft,
but
> >> >> once
> >> >> > we reach the other shore, we no longer need it.  If a person
resolves
> >> to
> >> >> > find their trur source and plumbs the depths of reason and nature,
> >> they
> >> >> will
> >> >> > see their original face and instantly awaken to what is unborn.
This
> >> is
> >> >> to
> >> >> > reach the other shore.  And once they are there, they are there
> >> forever.
> >> >> >  They don't need to return again.  They will be free spirits
> >> unconcerned
> >> >> > with material things,m and they; will be happy and at peace.
> >>  Chia-shan
> >> >> > said. 'The Tao is everywhere.'  He also said, 'When you see form,
you
> >> >> see
> >> >> > the mind.'  But people only see form.  They don't see the mind.
If
> >> you
> >> >> can
> >> >> > look into the depths and think about what you are doing one action
at
> >> a
> >> >> > time, you will suddenly see.  This is called seeing your nature.
You
> >> >> can't
> >> >> > know this nature through knowledge.  You can't perceive it through
> >> >> > perception.  This nature has no form or appearance.  When you
don't
> >> see
> >> >> it,
> >> >> > you see it.  When you see it, you don't see it.""
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
> >> >> without
> >> >> > end.
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > .
> >> >> >
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