[MD] A fine mess

[Andre Broersen]

Bodvar:

Marx lived in England and took its (intellectual in our lingo) patterns for
granted and thought that a revolution simply would take them over,
now run by "workers". But being transferred to the despotic Russia it
was soon corrupted by social social forces and Marx' ideal schemes
were used for the many mad "plans" (collectivization for instance)
without implementing any of the said intellectual patterns. Freedom of
press, speech ...ect.

Andre:

Agree Bodvar. I am no expert on Marx but what I do know is that he was
convinced that Russia was the least likely country to succeed in
implementing...moving towards... socialism. In fact he thought England and
Later, America more likely and he simply based this on their
industrial/economic level of development, plus concomittant social ens
intellectual development.
BUT, he didn't expect this to happen overnight...it was to be gradual. He
argued that you cannot make the 'jump' from feudalism to socialism without
the intervening period of capitalism.One cannot 'impose' socialism.
That I believe is the biggest mistake made (by Lenin, Stalin, Mao). It may
also 'explain' current Chinese developments.
Marx argued that 'economies' had to go through particular phases before
communism is realised. This process is a process taking place now but it
will be some time before 'we' move into the next phase.

Bodvar:

Society is dominated by (controlled by) intellectual value in the
Western culture, and this intellectual over-control will be checked
when/if the MOQ comes to be "standard model".

Andre:

And when will this happen I wonder Bodvar? What conditions need to be met
before this can take place?