[MD] A fine mess

[Andre Broersen]

Bodvar:

I'm an old man and can only manage it "once a day". Regarding the
previous logic issue I can't see how it can be expanded. 2+2 is 4 in
MOQ too, but it's premises brings an in-out-turn of many things. One
major turn is  from SOM where intellect = mind to MOQ where its 4th.
level = mind/matter distinction. As long as this isn't understood or
accepted, the MOQ isn't understood.

Andre:

This really is very interesting Bodvar! You have triggered a 'growing-up'
metaphor of mine which made me,at 16 years of age, instantly, not
understood (not mis- but not) understood.
I told everyone in my family that I hoped a world was possible wherein 2+2
could conceivably not be 4. This, from that moment onwards, has convinced my
family (and many others) that I am crazy, strange, different) and,
unfortunately that label still follows me to this day.
BUT, I have been vindicated: the MOQ! Pirsig has shown, through Poincarre
and others that 2+2=...4 because it is useful. It doesn't mean it is
necessarily true. It is relative, what do you mean by the two's...what do
you mean by the relationships..what do you mean by this (SOM) 'cause and
effect' postulate. There is no 'cause and effect' equivalent when talking
about human beings. They do not behave as objects! It is only true in math.
But I am not math...I am a living composition of PoV's and the extent to
which I want to stick to static patterns, this 'logic' is usefull, but to
the extent that  I want to respond to DQ it may not be usefull at all. It
may, in fact, interfere with where DQ leads me.

For what it is worth
Andre