[MD] In and out of intellect.

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Plumber Joe

5 Dec. you responded to my my question:

Bo before:
> > Almost all creatures sleep, thus when an animal wakes up it must be to a
> > state different from oblivion. Is this state a weaker version of the
> > human "selfconsciousness" (nineteenth century thinkers spoke about
> > "slumber"). Animals are known for their alertness and do not slumber.
> > Please address this issue before going on it seems to be much like
> > Phaedrus' "hot stove" insight that obviously launched him om his
> > Q-track, but no one seems to understand. I have tried the "sleep"
> > question on a lot of people without receiving a single response.
 
Joe: 
> A wonderful question.  Does a rock sleep? It is worn smooth by the
> brook. It is melted by volcanic action. It flies into space from
> volcanic explosions. A rock sleeps underground, and is awakened by the
> erosion in the riverbed. Sunlight warms it and makes it grow beyond
> its boundaries.  Freezing water is irresistible and it splits.

I  thought it was a straightforward question, but you either didn't  
understand it or evaded it. Sleep is a biological phenomenon and - 
again - animals that sleep must necessarily wake up to a state 
different from oblivion, yet animals aren't supposed to "have" 
consciousness so what is the state they wake up to? IMO this wrecks 
SOM's most pompous concept consciousness. 

> Sleep is a state of being.  My bones are awake while my consciousness
> sleeps! 

But what kind of consciousness is it that shuts down when a dog or a 
bird or a fish fall asleep? This is what it's about. Only humans are 
supposed to be (have) consciousness - at least the "hey, I am a 
human being" type -  but can there be an unconscious consciousness?  
It's here that the MOQ supplies an answer by introducing "value 
perception" instead of the consciousness hoax. 

> Does a single cell have different functions?  Conscious cells sleep and
> re-supply their energy base in order to operate at full capacity.  What
> if they haven¹t been trained in how to operate?  Then, they know only
> sleep or awake!  Nothing in between, like when to rest for a greater
> challenge. 

Your deliberations may be valid, but a bit off regarding my question  so 
I leave it here in the hope that you will be a bit more to the point .... if 
you care to pursue the issue that is?.


Bo