[MD] The Myth of Reason

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Hello Marsha,
If you are asking for my personal motivation making these statements
I guess I have to say that the abstract meaning of pre-socratic philosophers 
were often mis-interpreted. I think we can trace where, how and why these concepts
emerged and evolved.
I also think that it illustrates the types of discussions that have been current here on
the forum, Ham takes a traditional rationalist view where as Bo takes a traditional
materialist view. All of our arguements with them take the shape of expressing
to them the myth of entity.
I feel if we know the basis of our arguements we have a better chance at demonstrating
why we think this understanding has greater value to someone who views it as tossing
any kind of meaning out the window.





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From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:14:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason


Ron,

I think I get this part.

Marsha








At 09:43 AM 12/11/2008, you wrote:
>Hello Marsha,
>Reason and materialism are myths.
>
>The myth of truth overshadowed the myth of excellence. But lets be certain,
>
>"A myth is a sacred narrative in the sense that it holds special
>significance for those who tell it, and it contributes to and 
>expresses systems
>of thought and values. Use of the term by scholars implies neither the truth
>nor the falseness of the narrative. To the source culture, however, a myth by
>definition is "true," in that it embodies beliefs, concepts, and ways of
>questioning and making sense of the world."
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:34:33 AM
>Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason
>
>
>Hi Ron,
>
>I still don't get where you are coming from.  You've gathered
>together a different set of patterns.  From reading what you've
>written, there is much left out.  It's probably on your mind.  Or at
>least, it's not on my mind.  This is not really a problem.  Read
>recently the journey is the destination.  But if you have the
>patience to expand a little more, I might get it and you might go
>deeper.  It's up to you.  You obviously have given this a lot of
>consideration.  But maybe I'm so charmed by these translucent
>patterns, that for me this is not the time for logic.
>
>I wanted to you to know I am interested.
>
>
>Marsha
>
>
>
>At 09:09 AM 12/11/2008, you wrote:
> >Hello Marsha,
> >It is of my opinion "IS" has the place of defining the concept of entity.
> >I've thought long and hard about "entity", Plato called it form,
> >Heraticlus Logos. The common understanding we share, as a culture
> >and as human patterns.
> >
> >Whats really interesting is how I see the modern western struggle of
> >materialism and rationalism
> >really representing the difference in defining entity in the way
> >that Plato and Aristotle
> >commonly represent. Material form vs rational form that both rest on
> >the concept of
> >entity-ship as what "is".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:24:58 AM
> >Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason
> >
> >
> >
> >Greetings Ron,
> >
> >I've read your essay, but I did not understand what exactly you were
> >getting at.  And this post, too, leaves me puzzled.  I'm in the
> >pattern mode of exploration, and maybe that's inhibiting my
> >understanding.  From your title, I do think I agree with you.  I have
> >settled on inductive and deductive logic as useful tools.  Not sure
> >about 'is'.  Is it somehow like the scalpel in carving up reality?
> >
> >Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >At 03:53 PM 12/9/2008, you wrote:
> > >To all,
> > >In my essay "the function of form" I trace the origins of SOM
> > >To the Hebrew word "is" and how it effected Greek thought.
> > >In it I state that Parmenides concluded that "is" or being or
> > >awareness, always was. That logos, the common understanding,
> > >the abstract, always existed.
> > >Plato argued that logos was form. Aristotle maintained that it
> > >was the arguement from the particular experience to a universal
> > >understanding.
> > >Logos is the root word of logic. Logos in christianity was made flesh
> > >and worshiped as God.
> > >Parmenides maintained that the only way to realize truth was through
> > >abstract thought, through reason.
> > >Logos is the pivotal Greek ideal that wrought SOM.
> > >The worship of logic as God
> > >
> > >Heraclitus popularized the word and as I believe was often misunderstood.
> > >Heraclitus proclaimed that the world was constatnly in flux and that
> > >only through
> > >the abstract universal understanding of things may any sort of order
> > >be derived.
> > >He stated:
> > >"all things come to pass in accordance with this word" and "the word
> > >is common."
> > >It is "the account which governs the universe (ta hola, the whole)."
> > >
> >
> >.
> >.
> >
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