[MD] The Myth of Reason

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Thu Dec 11 08:52:36 PST 2008 

Marsha,

beautiful, I am eager to read it.
thank you so much.-ron




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From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:13:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason


Hi Ron,

Okay.

When I first read Nagarjuna's MMK, I was dumbstruck.  A while after 
that I read Nietzsche's 'Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the 
Greeks'.  I found similar points being made.  If you haven't read it, 
I bet you will enjoy it.  (Actually, Ham pointed me towards this 
book.)  I found an e-version, printed and read it straight through 
one New Year's Day.  Here's a version at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Tragic-Friedrich-Wilhelm-Nietzsche/dp/0895267101?tag=dogpile-20 



Marsha










At 10:54 AM 12/11/2008, you wrote:
>Hello Marsha,
>If you are asking for my personal motivation making these statements
>I guess I have to say that the abstract meaning of pre-socratic philosophers
>were often mis-interpreted. I think we can trace where, how and why 
>these concepts
>emerged and evolved.
>I also think that it illustrates the types of discussions that have 
>been current here on
>the forum, Ham takes a traditional rationalist view where as Bo 
>takes a traditional
>materialist view. All of our arguements with them take the shape of expressing
>to them the myth of entity.
>I feel if we know the basis of our arguements we have a better 
>chance at demonstrating
>why we think this understanding has greater value to someone who 
>views it as tossing
>any kind of meaning out the window.
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:14:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason
>
>
>Ron,
>
>I think I get this part.
>
>Marsha
>
>
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>
>
>At 09:43 AM 12/11/2008, you wrote:
> >Hello Marsha,
> >Reason and materialism are myths.
> >
> >The myth of truth overshadowed the myth of excellence. But lets be certain,
> >
> >"A myth is a sacred narrative in the sense that it holds special
> >significance for those who tell it, and it contributes to and
> >expresses systems
> >of thought and values. Use of the term by scholars implies neither the truth
> >nor the falseness of the narrative. To the source culture, 
> however, a myth by
> >definition is "true," in that it embodies beliefs, concepts, and ways of
> >questioning and making sense of the world."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:34:33 AM
> >Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason
> >
> >
> >Hi Ron,
> >
> >I still don't get where you are coming from.  You've gathered
> >together a different set of patterns.  From reading what you've
> >written, there is much left out.  It's probably on your mind.  Or at
> >least, it's not on my mind.  This is not really a problem.  Read
> >recently the journey is the destination.  But if you have the
> >patience to expand a little more, I might get it and you might go
> >deeper.  It's up to you.  You obviously have given this a lot of
> >consideration.  But maybe I'm so charmed by these translucent
> >patterns, that for me this is not the time for logic.
> >
> >I wanted to you to know I am interested.
> >
> >
> >Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >At 09:09 AM 12/11/2008, you wrote:
> > >Hello Marsha,
> > >It is of my opinion "IS" has the place of defining the concept of entity.
> > >I've thought long and hard about "entity", Plato called it form,
> > >Heraticlus Logos. The common understanding we share, as a culture
> > >and as human patterns.
> > >
> > >Whats really interesting is how I see the modern western struggle of
> > >materialism and rationalism
> > >really representing the difference in defining entity in the way
> > >that Plato and Aristotle
> > >commonly represent. Material form vs rational form that both rest on
> > >the concept of
> > >entity-ship as what "is".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > >From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> > >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:24:58 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Greetings Ron,
> > >
> > >I've read your essay, but I did not understand what exactly you were
> > >getting at.  And this post, too, leaves me puzzled.  I'm in the
> > >pattern mode of exploration, and maybe that's inhibiting my
> > >understanding.  From your title, I do think I agree with you.  I have
> > >settled on inductive and deductive logic as useful tools.  Not sure
> > >about 'is'.  Is it somehow like the scalpel in carving up reality?
> > >
> > >Marsha
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 03:53 PM 12/9/2008, you wrote:
> > > >To all,
> > > >In my essay "the function of form" I trace the origins of SOM
> > > >To the Hebrew word "is" and how it effected Greek thought.
> > > >In it I state that Parmenides concluded that "is" or being or
> > > >awareness, always was. That logos, the common understanding,
> > > >the abstract, always existed.
> > > >Plato argued that logos was form. Aristotle maintained that it
> > > >was the arguement from the particular experience to a universal
> > > >understanding.
> > > >Logos is the root word of logic. Logos in christianity was made flesh
> > > >and worshiped as God.
> > > >Parmenides maintained that the only way to realize truth was through
> > > >abstract thought, through reason.
> > > >Logos is the pivotal Greek ideal that wrought SOM.
> > > >The worship of logic as God
> > > >
> > > >Heraclitus popularized the word and as I believe was often 
> misunderstood.
> > > >Heraclitus proclaimed that the world was constatnly in flux and that
> > > >only through
> > > >the abstract universal understanding of things may any sort of order
> > > >be derived.
> > > >He stated:
> > > >"all things come to pass in accordance with this word" and "the word
> > > >is common."
> > > >It is "the account which governs the universe (ta hola, the whole)."
> > > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >.
> > >
> > >Shoot for the moon.  Even if you miss, you'll land among the 
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