[MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[Platt Holden]

Hi Marsha, 

[Marsha]
> > > What about Annotation 29 in LILA's Child?  Seems to me RMP is
> stating
> > > that the "sefl" does not exist independent of the patterns of all
> four
> > > levels.
> > >
> > > "29. The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a
> > > "self" that is independent of inorganic, biological, social or
> > > intellectual patterns. There is no "self" that contains these
> > > patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees
> > > with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In
> > > Zen, there is reference to "big self" and "small self." Small
> > > self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality."
> > >      (LILA's Child)

[Platt]
> >Agree. Individuals consist of the four levels and the individual level,
> >like other levels, is dependent on levels below it.
> >
> >Pirsig refers to the human individual many times in Lila, most notably
> in
> >his long story about the brujo and, of course, Lila herself.
> >
> >"Scientific knowledge" above probably refers to dedicated materialists
> who
> >believe the notion of "I" or self is a handy hallucination created by
> >neurons firing in the brain. "Religious mysticism" probably refers to
> seers
> >who believe the "small self" is a chip off the big block of Buddha, or
> in
> >the Christian religion, a child of God.

> 
> Hi Platt,
> 
> Maybe, but Buddha isn't an entity.

What would you say Buddha is? A big self? A hallucination?
 
> >That the individual holds a high place in the Pirsig's philosophy is
> >evidenced by his writing in ZAMM: "My personal feeling is this is how
> >further improvement in the world will be done: by individuals making
> >Quality decisions, and that's all."
> >
> >What do you think?
> 
> Without defining precisely what the individual is or isn't, I think 
> 'Three cheers for Quality decisions!!!'

Isn't someone like you, me or other human individual needed to make Quality 
decisions in response to Dynamic Quality?

Platt



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