[MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[kieffer odigaunt]

Ham and XActo,

2008/12/11 X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>

> Ham:
>
>  The mistake of Pirsig and his interpretors is to posit Value (Quality) as
> primary to existence, thereby rejecting the individual subject without whose
> realization there would be no value.
>
> Ron:
> Hello Ham, very nicely done.
> Although logically certain, Your concept of being is empty of content. No
> sense perception illustrates this truth. Your value is a judgement of pure
> thought, not experience.
>
>

By his anthropomorphising, he cuts out the rest of nature; there was surely
value before man came on the scene; the value and subsequent selection of
more suitable genes.
True, things change with man, now he is the selector - of memes.

Ham, you  do have the theist meme! You have sought for 30 years to
rationalise and prove your philosophy. - my hat is off to you sir for an
honourable and dedicated effort! you HAVE rationalised it! No one can punch
a hole in your hypothesis. We cannot prove the non-existence of your
Essential Source though you yourself have now indicated its lack of utility.

Here are your words Ham:

The only solution is to understand "process" (the sequence of events) as an
illusion of man's experience.  The separation of an absolute source into a
multiplistic system of relational things is the temporal mode of human
experience.  But it allows the Value of the Source to be realized, which is
man's inextricable link to his essential Source.  It makes sense if you can
ignore the labels that detractors are bound to throw at it.


A solution! But your Source reduced, as Krimel indicates, to a mere
rhetorical device.

You can now honourably drop this meme Ham. You do have a choice, you can let
go - you feel disorientated - but you will arrive at a better place for
yourself and the world.
In the meantime here is a new meme: let the neck be free, to let the head go
forward and up, to let the back lengthen and widen....'.

-KO