[MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[ml]

Arlo / Andre...all,

In that the Intellectual Level is more dynamic than
the Social, which is more dynamic than the Biological
in turn more so than the Physical; this makes the
place of man prone to a greater dynamism in general
by whole levels more.  So, I suspect that was the way
Pirsig was looking at things when he focused on man
as uniquely responsive.  (Capable of the most dynamic
functions in the most dynamic layers.)

thanks--mel




----- Original Message -----
From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
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Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.


> [Arlo previously]
> Before man appeared on the historical stage, what responded to Dynamic
Quality?
> Give me an example of something, some animal, plant, species, whatever
that you
> think responded to DQ before man appeared. I imagine you believe that
SOMETHING
> could respond to DQ before "man", so I ask you, what?
>
> [Andre]
> Look around you and all will be revealed. Go to the forest, to the
> supermarket,see a sunset/rise anything...all is the result of a response
to DQ.
> Some low, some high Quality.
>
> [Arlo]
> I could not agree more. In fact, I've said many times that all patterns
respond
> to DQ, but their responses are constrained (and enabled!) by the level
they
> reside (and further by their complexity within that level).
>
> Thus an atom responds to DQ with only the limited and mundane repertoire
made
> possible and restricted by the inorganic level. An amoeba has a greater
range
> of possible responses, as its repertoire includes responses made possible
only
> at the biological level. A cat, although also constrained by the
biological
> level, has a greater range of responses due to its much greater complexity
> within the level.
>
> The problem is that Platt claims (and to be fair, Pirsig suggests) that
nothing
> responds to DQ except for "man". Once again, I would then ask, if so then
> "what" did respond to DQ before man? Give me an example of anything,
anything
> at all, that "responded to DQ" before man appears on the stage.
>
> If Platt had said "animals", then I would ask (and he knows this), give me
an
> example of how an animal may have responded to DQ in the past that it can
no
> longer do. Give me some evidence from history, anthropology, archeology,
> whatever of an animal that did things in response to DQ, and what that
was, all
> things that animals today (in their non-DQness) can't do.
>
> I think you'll see how absurd that is revealed to be when you start asking
> simple questions like these.
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