[MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[MarshaV]

Dmb,

Why are your posts arriving in such a state?  There are far too few 
of them, so I would like a readable version if possible.

Marsha



At 02:38 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote:

>Krimel said:> The early Christian church on the other hand was quite 
>a different story.> The Church evolved out of the Gentile ministry 
>of Paul. Here Paul was> seeking to convert non-Jews into the faith. 
>To do so he had to appeal to the> Hellenistic understanding and to 
>reject certain specifically Jewish> practices including Jewish 
>dietary laws and especially circumcision. It is> clear in the New 
>Testament that Paul was at odds with Jesus disciples in> this 
>respect. In Galatians Paul basically cusses out James the Brother 
>of> Jesus, John and Peter for their adherence to Jewish law. In Acts 
>those same> disciples are the ones that threaten to execute Paul, 
>forcing him to appeal> to the Roman authorities.> > The real 
>question for me has always been: what did those in the Hellenistic> 
>world see in Judiasm/Christianity that drew them to it. Elaine 
>Pagels makes> the case that it was the strict moral code of the 
>Jews. dmb says:One of the reasons people doubt the existence of an hist
>  orical Jesus is the way his story is like so many other dying and 
> rising gods. His ordeal is like a gazillion others. That would be 
> at least one of the things that attracted followers in the 
> Hellenistic world. They could have recognized Mithras, Dionysus and 
> Orpheus in Paul's version of Christianity. I imagine Paul tweaked 
> the story in that direction like a salesman who understands his 
> customer. Following this story pattern would later help it to fit 
> into just about any of the European paganisms.But the thing that 
> really ensured its spread throughout Europe was the Roman Army, 
> beginning with Constantine's Army in particular. The first symbols 
> of Christianity were shepherds, sheep and fish but Constantine a 
> vision of the Cross as a sword. (Actually, his vision included a 
> pile of foreskins in the shape of a squirrel but his speech-writer 
> insisted that part be altered.) "By this sign you will conquer", 
> said a voice in a vision on the battlefield. And really, what could be more
>  "convincing" than a long sharp edge? And that's why the Pope needs 
> such a huge stockpile of nukes.I'd guess that Paul's version of the 
> story fits in with most kinds of European paganism.
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