[MD] Consciousness

[Krimel]

-----Original Message-----
From: Platt Holden [mailto:plattholden at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:02 PM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness

> > Platt
> > "A tribe can change its values only person by person and someone has to
> be
> > first." (Lila, 9)
> > 
> > [Krimel]
> > And someone has to go second. If only the first guy changes, the tribe
> > never
> > does.
> 
> [Platt]
> Right, individual by individual, person by person, one by one. 
> 
> [Krimel]
> The point is that humans do not now and have never existed as
> "individuals".
> Individual thoughts and actions always and only take place in a social
> context. No single individual creates or has created anything out over
> whole
> cloth. We always act, invent, discover and create within a social
> context
> that provides not just the raw material of our doing but gives it
> meaning
> and significance.

[Platt]
Yes, laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone. In other 
words, each of us is eternally separate but never apart. But when it comes 
to an evolutionary advance, a step towards betterness, an individual alwasy 
leads the way, whether a carbon atom, a fishing chimpanzee or an Albert 
Einstein. The rest follow.    

[Krimel]
No, we always live and breathe in the context of others. We are the product
of our culture and culture provides the context and the raw material for
every advancement made by every individual. The advance of any individual is
not an advance at all unless it is appreciated and adopted by others. An
advancement only has meaning in the context of culture. 

As for the idea that there was a first carbon atom, who lead the way for
other carbon atoms to follow... Come on Platt, that is almost the dumbest
thing you have ever written here.