[MD] Consciousness

[skutvik at online.no]

Nice to meet you Paco 

21 Dec.you wrote to Platt who very wisely had said:

> > > What are the "tool sets" of intellect besides science and reason?

Paco:
> I add FAITH. Faith [of many levels of quality] comes in when reason
> and science cannot capture absolute truth. It allows intellect to go,
> in stillness,  beyond reason and science, to go beyond formal
> logicand  vison/network-logic to enter transpersonal (mystical, if you
> will) states, to enter DQ that creates buddha, sangha, and dharma..
> This is not irrationality but reasonableness. 

Don't take me too seriously, but I get a bit frustrated over new 
participants arriving and falling into one or the other pitfall (of two) 
that's prevents an understanding of the MOQ. One is the "intelligence" 
one that Mel is in (that caused Platt to write the above) the other is the 
"grand concept" one that I wrote to Kieffer Odigaunt about yesterday.  
Your FAITH is another one (that I hereby add to my list) that you 
believe will allow intellect to expand. These are all candidates for MOQ 
replicas and would serve, but VALUE is best. 

The ting is that the intellectual level is static and its static value is the 
S/O aggregate (in the "objective over subjective" sense) or REASON 
for short, and it is incapable of  ..."going into stillness, beyond reason, 
beyond formal logic ...etc"  There is a sphere around the static levels, 
namely  the MOQ itself and this contains all these fine states, insights, 
mysticisms that you speak about. 

This interpretation is called the SOL and have been promoted by this 
person for years and years as the only way to look upon the intellectual 
level that harmonizes ZAMM and LILA and makes the MOQ one solid 
unassailable edifice. 


Bodvar "Bo" Skutvik         


PS
You said:

> Take the question of God. The existence of God cannot be proven or
> disproven by reason or science [although, I think, proofs for God's
> existence have an edge over proofs for non-existence]. Thus intellect's
> leap of faith -- non-scientific, non-rational and not irrational, but
> reasonable -- bringing along all other powers.  As the God in the Bible
> suggests: "Be stll and know that I am God." (Psalm 46:11). 

If you manage to understand my meanderings: Replace God by 
Quality and you have the same "system" only that the MOQ places 
traditional religions as social value (lower in the static range than 
science). Yet, by making Science and Reason (which are religions 
opponents) into its own 4th. level, this "degrading" makes them 
subservient to Quality itself, and if God=Quality, the MOQ comes to 
religion's rescue. However religion will probably not accept being 
rescued this way Likewise Reason & Science (SOM) will say "no 
thanks" to be part of the MOQ, so until further notice the MOQ is 
anathema in both camps    ... to the degree they have heard about the 
MOQ.