[MD] A theist appropriates MoQ OFFLIST

[MarshaV]

There is some good arguments to be made for engaging brain before 
hitting the send button.  Poop!



At 02:55 AM 12/22/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Paco,
>
>If you're suggesting a Gnostic, or esoteric (Campbellian in a sense) 
>reading of
>mythology (of which Christianity is), you'll get little argument from me
>(Pirsig does as much in ZMM when he transposes Quality for The Tao). One could
>just as readily transpose Quality for other mythos-being such as Yahweh and
>Odin (or Quanyin and White Buffalo Calf Woman). However, while
>Taoism-in-practice lends itself to such esoteric considerations, the 
>Occidental
>traditions have been long stripped of such possibility ("God died", to
>paraphrase Nietzsche, "when Gnosticism died"). Where the Tao has a 
>firmament of
>balancing forces (Yin/Yang, male/female, etc), the Occident has become
>monolithic (I suppose some argue that Mary is the female balance, but this is
>rare outside certain areas, and even among this subculture "Mary" is an
>interventionist, not an equal).
>
>I am only familiar in passing with Wilbur, but some here find him valuable. As
>I think I've pointed to, I find the writings of Joseph Campbell more
>illuminating in this regard. When I need more, the teachings of the 
>Buddha fill
>any void.

Hi Arlo,

I'm curious to whether this statement about the teachings of the 
Buddha is true, or a rhetorical device?  I'm just curious.


Marsha




>You say, "Perhaps a more inclusive myth will be "invented by DQ?", 
>to which I'd
>respond that the MOQ is, in fact, a myth, not an inventor of myths. The MOQ,
>like all "fingers pointing at the moon", is an analogy, its "DQ/SQ" are every
>much the analogy as the twin-horse chariot Phaedrus encounters in the
>culminating moments of his Chicago days. Quality, The Tao, Odin, Yahweh,
>Quanyin, Isis, all analogies, all ways to point towards the void, to glance at
>that which can never be seen. They are all "works of art", an art of text,
>tapestries woven by words, but the central goal of all is always 
>"not here, but
>there", always to direct your eyes away from the words and designs and towards
>that elusive shadow moving on the corner of our vision.
>
> >From the beginning of Hero with 1000 Faces.
>
>"Whether we listen with aloof amusement to the dreamlike mumbo jumbo of some
>red-eyed witch doctor of the Congo, or read with cultivated rapture thin
>translations from the sonnets of the mystic Lao-tse; now and again crack the
>hard nutshell of an argument of Aquinas, or catch suddenly the shining meaning
>of a bizarre Eskimo fairy tale: it will be always the one, shape-shifting yet
>marvelously constant story that we find, together with a challengingly
>persistent suggestion of more remaining to be experienced than will ever be
>known or told." (Campbell)
>
>Arlo
>
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