[MD] CBC Ideas: Homo (Sapiens) Neanderthalensis & etc.

[MarshaV]

Mel,

I would like to someday read the story you write.  But you have made 
me giggle.  How can a question belong to anyone?  It is not an 
independent thing, and I am not an independent self.


Marsha





At 12:39 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote:
>Marsha:
>
>Thanks, by all means.
>
>thanks--mel
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "MarshaV" <marshalz at charter.net>
>To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [MD] CBC Ideas: Homo (Sapiens) Neanderthalensis & etc.
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>
> >
> >
> > Mel,
> >
> > Of course, but only if I may someday read the story.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:53 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
> > >Marsha,
> > >
> > >May I borrow your question:
> > >"Do you think people are only capable of changing t
> > >heir point-of-view if they are suffering?" for a story I
> > >am writing?
> > >
> > >thanks--mel
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "MarshaV" <marshalz at charter.net>
> > >To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> > >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 2:28 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [MD] CBC Ideas: Homo (Sapiens) Neanderthalensis & etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 02:51 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >Dear All
> > > > >
> > > > >Marsha said 25 Dec.
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is a two-part series that runs November through December.
>This
> > > > > > is a very interesting program, and I liked very much the way it
>was
> > > > > > presented.  As a podcast it can be downloaded at the website, or
>it
> > > > > > can be gotten from iTune subscribe.
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/neanderthals/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > >Interesting, but what's the bearing on the MOQ? We know about the
> > > > >Neanderthals.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings Bo,
> > > >
> > > > Seemed to me the point of the program was that we don't know about
> > > > the Neanderthals.  Science thought one thing.  Then, new evidence was
> > > > found, and now then tend to think something quite different.  In
> > > > fact, it was stated that the real story would probably never be
> > > > known.  Ahhhh. There it is.
> > > >
> > > > My interest in the MOQ has taken a different direction.  I'm
> > > > interested in the nature of patterns.  The nature of what is
> > > > mistakenly thought of as an independent self.  All patterns, for me,
> > > > have turned out to be interrelated, interconnected, ever-changing
> > > > concepts.  No independent things.  Only conceptual ideas (static
> > > > patterns of value) overlaid onto dynamic quality.  For me, ALL spovs
> > > > are conceptual patterns.  Categorizing patterns as inorganic,
> > > > biological, social and intellectual is a helpful tool, but not the
> > > > important aspect of this new point-of-view.
> > > >
> > > > Science often seems very arrogant and stupid.  What thrilled me about
> > > > this program was an acknowledgement that what was known has
> > > > changed.  Suddenly something so small seems very hopeful.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > Did you happen to listen to the interview with Eric Fischl?   Do you
> > > > think people are only capable of changing their point-of-view if they
> > > > are suffering?  And it is for the artist to show them and make them
> > > > experience their suffering?  This seems to be a serious question.  Or
> > > > maybe not  Some would say to just paint.  -   Maybe you think change
> > > > happens when it becomes rational to do so?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marsha
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >There surely were other humanoid races around the
> > > > >globe before the Cro Magnons (with their "modern" neocortex brain)
> > > > >closed the "window of opportunity" for the other. At least no
> > >full-fledged
> > > > >Homo Sapiens suddenly emerged, there were hundred of thousands
> > > > >of years - millions possibly - before the said humanoid type had
> > > > >evolved (the biological level's internal evolution) and from then on
> > > > >scores of millennia before the social level emerged from the said Cro
> > > > >Magnon's biology (their intelligence IMO)
> > > > >
> > > > >By the way, I recently bought a history magazine that brought an
>article
> > > > >on the Greek thinkers and started with saying "The philosophers and
> > > > >scientists of antiquity were the first who tried to explain the world
> > > > >through reason and logical conclusions. From Thales to Archimedes
> > > > >they rejected their contemporary religious dogmas and shook their
> > > > >heads at anything not rational .(snip) .. laid down the fundaments
>for
> > > > >all scientific research and the modern Western culture and our time's
> > > > >democracy" (translated from Norwegian) I've never seen what
> > > > >happened in Greece presented so close to Pirsig's in ZAMM before.
> > > > >
> > > > >Bo
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > .
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> > life, my consciousness of belonging to the invisible community of
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> > feeling isolated.
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Credo of Albert Einstein:  Although I am a typical loner in daily 
life, my consciousness of belonging to the invisible community of 
those who strive for truth, beauty and justice has preserved me from 
feeling isolated.
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