[MD] example of reciprocal altruism?

[gav]

from the same article platt selectively quoted:

"To understand the misconceptions perpetuated
about climate science and the climate of intimidation, one needs to
grasp some of the complex underlying scientific issues. First, let's
start where there is agreement. The public, press and policy makers
have been repeatedly told that three claims have widespread scientific
support: Global temperature has risen about a degree since the late
19th century; levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have increased by about
30% over the same period; and CO2 should contribute to future warming.
These claims are true."

kinda important to keep that in mind.

the speculation is just that....what will the effects be...? who knows. is it worth making educated guesses. i think so.

and it is also very important to keep in mind that the work of the ipcc is seen to *underestimate* the dangers of climate change by many scientists. greatly underestimate.

it is the rate of change here that is key. the rate of change in co2 levels is accelerating. and now methane, a much more potent greenhouse gas, is being released from the arctic tundra as the permafrost melts.

to me it is simple, intuitively inescapable: we are shitting in our own nests, have been for a while now...and we are now beginning to reap the consequences.

this article may be of interest:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/we-cant-go-on-living-like-this/2007/04/06/1175366470599.html?page=fullpage



--- On Mon, 29/12/08, Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MD] example of reciprocal altruism?
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Received: Monday, 29 December, 2008, 4:48 AM

Hi Mel, 

> Platt,
> 
> Pardon my jumping in,but...

Jump in anytime. 

> <snip>
> Platt:
> Now it's the global warming scam. 
> 
> mel:
> I assume you are referring to man-as-cause.
> (Straight temp numbers seem to point to a real
> trend of warming in C20 an into C21.)

"Global warming" as used in the press and by politicians implies a human 
cause. Increasingly used is the phrase "climate change," weasel words also 
implying collective guilt. 

> It seems unscientific to simply accept or dismiss
> without a full look.  I don't know what you've been 
> able to get access to, but so far I am still lacking
> a good source for access to data, full models with 
> explanation and assumptions and multi-run results
> to see inclusivity and tracking against measured 
> variation.
> 
> A hypothesis, of course, stands until it is disproven
> or weathered testing to the point of becoming a theory,
> like evolution or gravity.
> 
> I will admit to frustration with my attempts to get 
> such access.  (Something is always 'proprietary', or 
> partial, or raw number dumps without context.  If 
> anyone knows a source with competent narrative I'd 
> love to hear about it.thanks--mel)
> 
> as to scams...no doubt that 'green' scams will
> abound as the amount of money sent towards the
> 'sustainability market' increases.

The issue of global warming is controversial. The fact that it so well 
serves the ambitions of liberal politicians aroused my by suspicions from 
the start. Now available on the internet is a wealth of information and 
opinion supporting the view that dire warnings about global warming are 
bogus. To cite just one example, an article entitled "Climate of Fear" by 
Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric science at MIT who wrote : 

"So how is it we don't have more scientists speaking up about this junk 
science?" 

The full article can be found at:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

I'm not sure how the global warming scam relates to the MOQ except to 
suggest that if everybody believes one thing (SOM) there may be a better 
alternative (MOQ). At least entertain the possibility that majority belief  
could be wrong, like the current collective wisdom of the liberal political 
class that we can spend our way to prosperity. 

Platt


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