[MD] MOQ levels

[David M]

Hi Steve

I think that's pretty much on the money.

Thanks
David M

>
> Steve said:
>>> It is intellect that takes undivided experience and creates
>>> the pattern called "organism," but this is not to say that there
>>> is not real experience prior to the inference of this pattern.
>>> The MOQ does not  even object to the idea that objects
>>> have an independent existence, it just points out that this is
>>> an idea, and like any other idea should be taken only so far
>>> as it is practical.
>
> Steve:
> I think as soon as you say that there is someone having the experience the 
> experience you are talking about is already divided, contingent, 
> patterned, whatever.
> Steve:
> The way you described it, it is an S/O phenomenon, but the MOQ says 
> something different. It starts with Quality (experience without 
> presupposing a person who experiences) and says that the subject is an 
> abstraction from experience. The subject then intellectualizes experience 
> to come up with the idea that he existed prior to the experience and is 
> the "one who experiences." The MOQ doesn't say that thinking of yourself 
> as an experiencing subject is a bad idea, it just points out that this is 
> an idea.
> Steve:
> The MOQ says Quality comes first since this cognizant subject of yours 
> would have no meaning without Quality. Also, it agrees with you that "the 
> body of this subject would have to be primay to its awareness" to the 
> extent that this is a good  idea that should be used as long as it is 
> practical to do so, but this idea has no meaning without Quality, so 
> Quality is actually primary.
> Steve:
> I don't think it is "in conflict," you are just saying something 
> different. The polar coordinates and rectanglular coordinates and 
> paintings in a gallery analogies apply.
>
> DMB can probably explain this better than I can.