[MD] MOQ Levels

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

Hello Jorge

I found your latest post in the MOQ Levels question very clarifying and 
rewarding. The question presented here is a very interesting one:

>    Within the context of the MOQ the 4th level "could
> be lurking under the 3rd", if it were to distance
> itself from the assumption that the levels are
> "discrete, not continuous". If the levels were thought
> as fuzzy (in the sense of fuzzy sets), so that some
> patterns could be jointly social to some extent and
> intellectual to some extent, then Ivarsson's argument
> concerning the Sumerian cultures (and many other
> common-sense-ones) would be a valid one.

I'm not yet sure that this is my position, but I'm leaning in that direction 
at the moment. But in the since that a MOQ Level can only be called a 
 "Level" once it manifests itself clearly, then I would understand Pirsigs 
(and Bodvars) argument that it would not be right to talk about a 
intellectual level before the Greeks. But on the other hand, after the SOM 
had emerged in ancient Greece there was a pretty clear regression of the 
intellectual level and a big forward for the social level that lasted until 
the enlightenment. During the time between the intellectual level were 
around, I think we would all agree with this, but it was fighting hard to 
free itself from an advancing, strong social level. As I see it. If this is 
a valid way of seeing it, could not this have been the case earlier than the 
Greeks?

Well, this was all a bit fuzzy in itself I realize, but I'm sure you or 
Bodvar (or anyone else here) have something to say about it

Thanks for the time

Chris