[MD] MOQ Levels

[Magnus Berg]

Hi there, still semi-turned on

> I call upon Magnus because I believe he and I once agreed about 
> "intelligence" and the catastrophe for the MOQ if its 4th. level is 
> mixed up with thinking. Our reasoning went something like this: 
> As the biological (neural) complexity grew into nodes called brain 
> a capacity to store earlier experience (memory) emerged and 
> also the capability to retrieve the content into a "cache" to 
> manipulate it in a logical: "if-this-is-done-such-will-happen" 
> manner.

Yes, I guess we did agree about that, but not if we extrapolate from there. We 
agree that "intelligence" is not the 4th level. However, you argue that the 4th 
level is the S/O distinction, whereas I would say that memories, the content of 
a book, or any other representation are intellectual patterns.

"Thinking" on the other hand would be dynamic juggling of intellectual patterns. 
  Throwing them together and causing dynamic intellectual quality events. I 
still have no idea why other people can neither understand nor accept this 
obvious description. There's no need to involve history, greeks, cavemen or 
whatever.

> Their "thoughts" belonged to the social level

A statement such as that is as wrong as something like:

The taste of the apple was blue

A "thought" can represent social value, it can determine a man's action and 
thereby affect his social value. But it *is* NOT social value in itself, not 
metaphysically. This is a very crucial distinction that most people here seem to 
have missed.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but I'm getting a bit disillusioned about getting my 
ideas to grow (dynamically change) here. They can't grow without feedback.

	Magnus