[MD] The inner world

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi David and all,

I am seeing the value of DQ as Order.  I am seeing the value of SQ as
Manifestation.  A law of order (levels) is denied by most!  A law of
manifestation as explored by Ham in Essence, Nothingness, Existence
has a metaphysical quality and is difficult to express.


On 2/9/08 1:52 PM, "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Jo
> 
> I agree that we need to be able to refer to inner and outer
> to make sense of our experiences but there is surely
> SQ and DQ is both spheres?
> 
> David M
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at sbcglobal.net>
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> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:07 PM
> Subject: [MD] The inner world
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have been reading from: Psychological Commentaries
>> On the Teaching of G. I. Gurdjieff and P. D. Ouspensky by
>> Maurice Nicoll. Vol I, p 48.
>> 
>> At one time Nicoll was one of Jung's students.
>> 
>> "Man stands between two---an external visible world that enters
>> the senses and is shared by everyone: and an internal world that
>> none of his senses meets, which is shared by no one---that is,
>> the approach to it is uniquely individual, for although all the people
>> in the world can observe you, only you can observe yourself.  This
>> Internal world is the second 'reality', and is invisible.
>> 
>> If you doubt that this second reality exists ask yourself the question:
>> Are my thoughts, feelings, sensations, my fears, hopes, disappointments,
>> my joys, my desires, my sorrows, real to me?  If, of course, you say that
>> they are not real, and that only the table and the house that you can see
>> with your outer eyes are real, then 'self-observation' will have no
>> meaning
>> to you.  Let me ask you: in which world of reality do you live and have
>> your
>> being?  In the world outside you, revealed by your senses, or in the world
>> no one sees, and only you can observe---this inner world?  I think you
>> will
>> agree that it is in this inner world that you really live all the time,
>> and
>> feel and suffer."
>> 
>> IMO Persig would place dq/sq only in this inner world, MOQ, which is more
>> real than SOM, by including the internal as well as the external.
>> 
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