[MD] MOQ Levels

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Chris, Magnus, All

11 Feb. Chris wrote:

> Magnus wrote:
> >You distinguish between SOM (rational) thoughts,
> > and social thoughts, and then you have the biological (dirty)
> > thoughts.
 
Chris:
> Why do you have to interpret it as dirty or bad, or anything like
> that? Noone has said anything about "better" or anything like that -
> just different. It just fits, that's all. If it works, it works.

Bo:
It seems I have to go by way of Chis to understand Magnus' 
objections. Chris comment is spot on and I'm glad because Chris 
isn't defending SOL from any sympathy for this silly loner, but 
because he sees its value! A breakthrough!  
 
> Magnus:
> > "Biological origin"? You know very well that I consider the human
> > brain to be much more than just biological. In fact, the brain
> > itself has no such senses we normally connect with biology such as
> > smell, sight, hearing, etc. The brain are just fed the signals sent
> > by those senses and then manipulates those signals in a very
> > sophisticated (read level 4:ish) manner.

> > Coming from you, that term "biological origin" sounds like you're
> > trying to side-step the fact that individual humans are able to
> > "think" even when disconnected from their native society.

> What you have said doesn't really go against the SOL at all. The brain
> would be something belonging to all four levels, like a lot of things
> do, but in different ways, and depending on what level is the
> dominant, that is how the brain is used. Its simple.

I'll just add: The brain is biology, and at that level it will remain so  
for ever, but as Chris points out; each levels rise from the former 
and everything is transformed into own value. The biological 
level knows no inorganic value, a body's tissue is biological tissue 
and the social level everything is social value and utilizes 
everything for own purpose, this goes for intellect too, it's only 
from the MOQ that the level context is visible.   

I'll return to Magnus in another post

Bo