[MD] MOQ levels

[MarshaV]

Ron & Magnus,

At 01:45 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote:

>Ron prev:
> > You were stating that MoQ does not fall into the same
> > Category as SOM in regard to static intellectual patterns.
> > I disagreed.
> > I interpreted you as saying that
> > Rocks, computers and slips of paper do not fall into the
> > Category as thoughts and concepts that they are objective facts.
>
>
>Magnus:
>Almost. But with the crucial difference that they are not quite
>objective facts. All static patterns are involved in quality
>events, and in a quality event there is always one subject and one
>object. When a rock falls onto another rock, one is subject and the
>other is subject. When an amoeba feels the scent of food, the amoeba
>is likely to be categorized as the subject and the scent is the object.
>But that's just the SOM way of seeing it, the MoQ says that the roles
>can just as well be reversed.
>
>Actually, I haven't thought much about why (and if) we need to keep
>calling the parties in a quality event subject and object, since the
>difference is unclear. They are simply equal parties in the event.
>
>Ron:
>This is a good start. Why are we discussing this in terms of subjects
>and objects? When we shift to patterns of value things come around.
>If you concede that physical reality is patterns of value then it stands
>To reason that it is the human mind which interprets these patterns
>As rocks and amoebas. When Pirsig explains that everything is an analogy
>I take this to include all human perception as well, not simply
>language.
>You seem to distinguish between immediate experience and intellect as if
>They are separate and unrelated functions. I feel they are separate
>process but of a single system that of the human mind the interpreter of
>patterns.

Sometimes what I do is to reduce nouns and verbs to there basic MOQ 
meaning.  *I'm seeing that rock* becomes *This collection of static 
patterns of value and that pattern of value are 
experiencing.*   SPoVs experiencing.  Ug! Of course both spovs and 
experiencing are the same thing, 
quality-value-experience.  ***Quality***  Doesn't make for a very 
sophisticated sentence, but isn't that what is happening?  Of course 
if you're into humor, it's a lifetime of laughter and wonder.

Marsha





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