[MD] MOQ levels

[Ron Kulp]

Ian,
The bridge exists because of the things
The things exist because of the bridge.
Value requires distinction.
The process of distinction is a flowing bridge
That neither begins nor ends.
A metaphor for process.
The connectedness of all things.

-Ron

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SA, Ron,

I haven't quite picked-up on the context of Ron's "bridge" metaphor here
?

Clearly (dynamic) quality is about connections ... a relationship, an
interaction, a participation ... subject-interaction-object as a more
fundametal atom than either subject or object.

So I would see the bridging - the bridge AND the things bridged - as
the "quality".
I may have missed your point ?

Ian

On 2/13/08, Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ron, and Ian,
>
>
> > SA previously:
> >      We could stick to some points that I was
> > looking forward to hearing a response from you.  It
> does
> > seem you are making a 'all is intellect' approach.
> I
> > remember when you posted here that you told your
> > child that this is 'all in the mind' (to
> paraphrase).  Did
> > I remember this correctly?
> >      How do you view the early solar system when
> > humankind wasn't around?
>
>
> > Ron:
> > You get me wrong, I've been saying our perception
> > is limited and distorted. I say how we understand
> > objects is 90% of how objects are viewed. When many
> > understand them in a like manner they take on a
> reality of their
> > own.  Just as how my words have been interpreted
> here is
> > how Reality gets filtered and exaggerated.
> Information
> > is Skimmed, summed and condensed. I'm not saying "I
> > think therefore I am" I'm saying "I am part of a
> complex society
> > therefore I think " therefore I think  "I think
> therefore I am"
>
>
> SA:  I understand the whole society influences our
> thinking.  I understand I'm in a culture.  I guess
> that's all your pointing out?
>
>
> > SA previously:
> > I really don't know how to debate
> > against somebody that believes the world is all
> > their in mind..
>
> > Ron:
> > Not all in the mind, what we perceive is interpreted
> > By the mind.
>
>
> SA:  Yes.  I think as Marsha's been trying to point
> out.  The orientation of the kind of experience is
> what's defining dynamic quality or static quality.
> Each of the SPoV's are experiencing, thus, taking
> another step in the understanding, a step that is not
> mind-centered.
>
>
>
> > Ron:
> > Value is a bridge
>
>
> SA:  As Ian pointed out.  The seemingly
> counter-experiences of authority and
> questioning-authority, and these two are sourced by
> quality, thus, I believe Ian is using quality, as a
> guide, as a bridge, to understand more the difference
> between the two - something more is happening and the
> bridge will clearly define better than any one part.
> Ian, isn't this what you are driving at?
>
>
>
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