[MD] When is a pattern not static?

[Ron Kulp]

Ham,
This is where discussion becomes difficult because of utilizing a
languge
To emote concepts, when concepts focus to the micro/macro using language
Is like golfing with sledge hammers, slow inaccurate and tiresome.
But I'll do my best.

Everything that is perceived and experience are static patterns of
value.
The term static is relative for it all is in dynamic flux. Static
In turn refers to perceptible phenomena in a dynamic flowing field.
That which is perceptible is a repeating pattern or a pattern of value
Cohesive enough to be sensed for a duration. Those patterns which posses
Relative Cohesiveness for greater durations are said to posses more
Static quality.

How this theory relates to the levels is the source of much debate.
Pirsig explains the levels as a complex inter-relating system
In such that no layer may ever be reduced or isolated. It is merely a
useful
Concept in understanding the relations of static patterns of value.
>From a theory standpoint of the individual.

Viewing reality from this concept of eternally struggling patterns
Releases the individual from archaic conceptions of distinction.

It eludes to an undivided wholeness in eternal flux, the dynamic.
Static patterns interpreted as reality via value sensibility, the
static.
But according to Pirsigs theory it is all quality which is ever dynamic
It just appears static to our limited senses. 

-Ron




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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ham Priday
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [MD] When is a pattern not static?

DMB, Chris, Steve, Bo, and all MoQists --


This may be a silly question, and I know it's been discussed before, but
I 
have always been confused about Pirsig's use of "static" for S/O
patterns 
and "dynamic" for the Quality that supports them.  And I suspect that
I'm 
not alone in this confusion.  I've been told that DQ is dynamic because
it 
gives rise to patterns (or at least encompasses them), but that doesn't
seem 
to properly describe the unchanging foundational Quality, or the fact
that 
most patterns are experienced as changing or evolving in some away.

For example, Chris has stated (correctly, I think, by MoQ standards):
> A ROCK - From a MOQ perspective...is a static inorganic pattern.
> It may also be used as an expression of social values depending on
> how it is used, and if the intellectual level is to look at a rock it 
> would
> be - a rock, an object made up of matter. Whatever matter is ^__^

Marsha:
> A rock is first of all a static pattern of value.

If a rock is a static pattern of value, is a meteor (also a rock) that 
flashes across the sky a static pattern?  You folks call Biology a
level, 
rather than a pattern.  But is the biological process by which a
fertilized 
cell multiplies, differentiates and becomes a living organism a static 
pattern?  Or are the the sperm cell, the egg, the embryo. the fetus, and
the 
infant each a separate pattern?

In other words, when does a pattern begin (from a level), and are there
any 
patterns that may be regarded as dynamic?  It seems to me that
everything 
that exists is in some state of flux, moving from simple to complex, or 
evolving from the lowest (inorganic) to the highest (intellectual)
level. 
If S/O reality is constantly changing, why are its components not
dynamic?

Tangential to this is another question.  Chris suggested above that
social 
values may also be patterns.  If this is true, does it mean that moral 
precepts or emotional feelings like Awareness, Freedom, Love, Justice,
and 
Fear are social or intellectual patterns?   Are these "intermediate
states" 
of recognized patterns, or are they only myths abstracted from Quality?

I'm not being critical; I simply need to understand the dynamics of this

hierarchy as a logical ontology.  (If, indeed, "dynamics" is the correct

word.)

Thanks for your help.

--Ham


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