[MD] Patterns

[Platt Holden]

> [Platt]
> Yes, the intellectual level IS the individual level and rightly regards the
> social level as the "enemy." This is pure MOQ. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> According the MOQ, the intellectual level originated out the social level.
> In your interpretation, kindly point me to a time when "societies" existed
> but "individuals" did not.

The MOQ speaks of moral not reified levels.  
 
> Then kindly point to me when, give or take, you feel "individuals" emerged
> from the MOQ? Not, I point out, when the intellectual level took dominance,
> that's another issue, but when it emerged. Who made up these "societies"
> before the evolution of the "individual"?

See above. 

> And I point out that there is no "enemy" in Pirsig's words, "our
> intellectual description is always culturally derived". Where is the "great
> battle" against society in that? 

See the story of the brujo and Pirsig's description of contrarians.

> Also, let me remind you, that there are "individuals" on all the MOQ levels,
> individual inorganic patterns, individual biological patterns, individual
> social patterns, individual intellectual patterns. And each new evolutionary
> layer is built upon the collective activity of "individuals" on the previous
> level.

See above about reification.

> A biological pattern derives from the collective activity of inorganic
> patterns. A social pattern derives from the collective activity of
> biological patterns. And an intellectual pattern derives from the collective
> activity of social patterns.
> 
> That fits exactly with Pirsig's statmenet, "mind originates out of the
> social level, social patterns originate out of the biological and biological
> patterns originate out of the inorganic level". 

"Mind" is singular, individual. There's no such thing as a collective 
brain.   

>Your revision of the MOQ is many things, but pure it is not. 

If you choose to ignore parts of the MOQ, that's your problem, not mine.