[MD] MOQ Levels

[ian glendinning]

Hi Magnus and all,

If you ever do understand the explanations at the bleeding edge of
physics Magnus, we'll be nominating you for the Nobel prize ;-)

But seriously, yes that kind of *fun* thing, and whichever your
preferred metaphor, it is all metaphor and analogy .... until
something is experienced.

I think there is some mileage in joining the dots between
"manipulations of signs and symbols" mentioned earlier here, and the
idea that ALL IS ANALOGY in level 4, someone said in another branch /
thread earlier today ?

(Still doesn't separate 3 and 4 for me, but it's better defining what
is happening in these levels - communication of symbolic information
patterns, in my words.)

Ian

On 2/15/08, Magnus Berg <McMagnus at home.se> wrote:
> Hi Ian
>
> ian glendinning wrote:
> > Hi Magnus, I share your concerns ...
> >
> > You missed my "scare quotes"
>
> Indeed I did. :)
>
> > "life" ... I meant stuff that self-replicates (biological or artificial)
> > "genetic information" ... I meant stuff communicated by replication -
> > generation to generation (biological or artificial)
>
> It seems we understand each other on this.
>
> > As I said "in my world" quality is kinda equivalent to information ...
> > I wasn't suggesting it was the whole story for everyone .... but there
> > are some strikng parallels at the bleeding edge of physics.
>
> Are you referring to entangled particles, that are able to convey "spooky action
> at a distance" faster than light? That's what I call *fun*!
>
> They claim it's not possible to use that action to transmit information though,
> but I didn't really understood the reasoning behind that. It sounded more like
> they used relativistic laws to explain a non-relativistic phenomenon, and
> thereby unable to prove anything.
>
>        Magnus
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