[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting Christoffer Ivarsson <IvarssonChristoffer at hotmail.com>:

> 
> Chris
> >> It is not communism that has done this, as you well know. When it comes 
> >> to
> >> Russia it is just a continuing theme that the Russian rulers have been on
> >> since the fall of East-Rome, and in other cases it is pretty much the 
> >> same
> >> thing - nowhere has there been a grand scale communist rule, as it is
> >> described by Marx and Engels, but a lot of variations of Leninism (which 
> >> is
> >> NOT communism as such)  have been twisted and built into older ruler
> >> traditions of whatever country it has manifested itself.  It is not
> >> communism itself that has caused this, but rather catastrophic
> >> interpretations of it and plain old Mad Rulers.
> >>
> >> Furthermore - Nationalism and Communism was never intended to be 
> >> combined,
> >> that is also a corruption of the original thoughts.
> 
> 
> You
> > How about China, North Korea, Cambodia, and Cuba? All "catastrophic
> > interpretations" of sweet, benign Marx and Engels communism?
> >
> Chris:
> Umh, In a way yes. I don't have time to go into it right now, but the 
> Chinese interpretation of LENINISM has been suited for China, following it's 
> more than 3000 year old history of a hierarchical society,  In Cambodia it 
> was tried to return to "Original communism" I.e. to reverse the historical 
> development (try to find support for THAT in Marx and Engels texts) North 
> Korea is just plain old military dictatorship, something that Cuba is a 
> slightly lighter version of - and even if some Leninists would argue that 
> Cuba has come further than any other communist attempt it is still mingled 
> with nationalism and as such it is not real Communism. 

So has "real" Communism ever been practiced, except maybe hippie communes?






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