[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality

[Arlo Bensinger]

[SA]
the caller was shouting at Rush due to the caller's madness.  I 
listened to hear what the caller (he) was so mad about, and he was 
talking about when people do everything they possibly can with full 
effort and something still can't be achieved, then they are to rely 
upon God to do the impossible.  Then the caller mentioned what he was 
so mad about - it was Obama. The caller said to Rush, you know we are 
the 'true people', and with hope, God will do the impossible for us.

[Arlo]
Since Raygun, the neocons have ongoingly entrenched themselves in the 
rhetoric of The Holy War, a war on which "they" (neoconservatives) 
are the Righteous, Chosen, Honest, Decent, Noble Folk who battle All 
Things Evil, and the biggest Evil is "them" (liberals) who they paint 
as Vile, Deceitful, Anti-freedom, Dishonest, Manipulative Enslavers. 
Liberals have been cast as "commies" and now "fascists". Liberals are 
responsible for "every global economic depression in history" (Glenn 
Beck), they want to not only surrender to terrorists but they want to 
see dead Americans in the streets. The vitriol in the books they 
publish is apparent, "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder", "Liberal 
Fascism", "Godless: The Church of Liberalism", etc. Is there any 
doubt that neocons see themselves as "Holy Warriors" battling against 
the "Satanic, Atheistic Legions of Evil"?

[DMB]
Its also interesting to notice how the general election, assuming 
it'll be McCain vs Obama, will end up being a contest between fear 
and hope. This would, more or less, prove the main thesis of "The 
Power of Nightmares".

[Arlo]
Good point.

[Ron]
Unfortunately the Nazis were a Christian movement supported by the 
local churches, not all, but most. ... I cross-referenced a lot of it.

[Arlo]
Stop bring facts into the discussion, Ron. You and I both know its 
not about historical facts or reality. The great majority of German 
citizens who supported the Nazi Party were Christians, the foot 
soldiers and mobs who rounded up, killed, beat and shipped Jews off 
on trains to be slaughtered were not "atheists" but self-described 
Christians. Many within the Nazi Party were also admitted Occultists, 
who dabbled in a mishmash of religious belief around the Aryan Race 
Ideal. Hitler, if anything, was a Deist, albeit it with a uniquely 
warped understanding of what "the creator of the Universe" or 
"Eternal Providence" wanted.

In the book, The Holy Reich, the author outlines the historical 
reality of the overt ties between religion and Nazi Ideology. 
"Analyzing the previously unexplored religious views of the Nazi 
elite, Richard Steigmann-Gall argues against the consensus that 
Nazism as a whole was either unrelated to Christianity or actively 
opposed to it. In contrast, Steigmann-Gall demonstrates that many in 
the Nazi movement believed the contours of their ideology were based 
on a Christian understanding of Germany's ills and their cure. He 
also explores the struggle the "positive Christians" waged with the 
party's paganists and demonstrates that this was not just a conflict 
over religion, but over the very meaning of Nazi ideology itself."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will 
of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am 
fighting for the work of the Lord." (Hitler)

http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Reich-Conceptions-Christianity-1919-1945/dp/0521823714

Like I said, the evidence is clearly there, as you yourself have 
found. But don't waste your time. This isn't about historical fact. 
This is about twisting reality to fit Ideological Propaganda.