[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality

pholden at davtv.com pholden at davtv.com
Thu Feb 21 14:20:48 PST 2008


Quoting ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com>:

> Platt,
> 
> Pack it in you imbecile. Where did Arlo ever say
> "Lower and higher forms of life are equal." ?

Ian: Give it up you jerk. I said the intellectual was better, more moral
than the social level. Arlo said I was wrong. So I quoted Pirsig to the contrary.
Where's your brain?

> YOU ARE IGNORANT by definition, and in a very long-lived static kind of way too.
> What is the point of anyone responding to you ?
> That was fun (not).
> Ian
> PS having already questioned Arlo and others for even bothering to
> debate with you, normal service will be resumed, after half a day's
> aberration.

You keep promising. Your promises are as good as your intelligence.  

> On 2/21/08, Platt Holden <pholden at davtv.com> wrote:
> >
> > > [Platt]
> > > The intellectual (individual) level is better than the social
> > > (collective) level.
> > >
> > > [Arlo]
> > > I'm not talking about Platt's neocon MOQ, nor do I have any desire
> > > to, I'm talking about Pirsig's.
> >
> > Let's talk Pirsig's MOQ:
> >
> > "But what he saw at this point was a social pattern of -values, a film,
> > devouring an intellectual pattern of values, his book. It would be a lower
> > form of life feeding upon a higher form of life. As such it would be
> > immoral. And that's exactly how it felt: immoral." (Lila, 20).
> >
> > For Arlo, lower and higher forms of life are equal. Comical.
> >
> > > [Platt]
> > > If all was balanced, there would be no evolution.
> > >
> > > [Arlo]
> > > Wrong. It is balance (not stasis) that allows evolution. Without it,
> > > new directions would not latch on one hand, and on the other there
> > > would be no new directions.
> >
> > Balance implies stasis -- physical equilibrium.




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