[MD] Politics

[skutvik at online.no]

Craig, Chris, Ron, Platt, everybody

On 24 Feb.
 
Craig:
> > Ron's view that Hitler was moral & Chris's view that censorship in a
> > democracy is right, should not go unchallenged.  Otherwise, it is
> > the death knell of the MoQ. Craig

Bo:
Why do you, Craig, regard this as the end of the MOQ?

Chris 
> Yeah, because that's what I said. By the Gods, have you been listening
> to Platt? Furthermore, a "democracy" is nothing that it is carved in
> stone tablets how it should work, but one could argue that if a
> decision is taken, democratically, for example that censorship should
> be instituted. 

Bo:
I haven't followed the "politics" thread too closely, but if Ron's position 
is that Hitler represented Social Value and thereby was "moral", he 
(Ron) is right. What Chris has said about censorship I don't know, but 
if he means that democracy (as part of the intellectual level) will repel 
anti-democratic tendencies (for instance censor nazi-inspired 
utterings) Chris is right too. 

> Why, the that is a democratic decision.  It's a paradox, I know, and
> from a MOQ perspective one can argue that censorship would strangle
> intellectual development, but one can also argue that censorship may be
> necessary so as to keep society stable - for a solid base for the
> intellectual level to rest on. 

Chris correctly says that democracy defending democracy by limiting 
freedom (censorship)  is a paradox, but this is intellect limiting 
society's values (freedoms) and that is intellect's very purpose. I can 
however find real paradoxes, f.ex. people electing to give up 
democracy (as in Algeria in the nineties) and/or Turkey's military 
forces DEFENDING democracy. This is due to the Muslim world never 
having properly entered the intellectual level (please, nothing about  
intelligence!) thus importing intellectual patterns (democracy f.ex.) 
from the West they become a sham.     

IMO

Bo