[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality

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Quoting Ron Kulp <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>:

> > 
> > Ron:
> > One of which is superiority and dominance, which you feel is what
> Pirsig
> > meant not balance.
> > power to dominate or defeat. Correct? This is better-ness, not
> balance.
> > 
> > 
> > Thusly atheism is moral. 
> > 
> > 
> > Lying, cheating stealing and killing is moral
> > If done for profit, gain and superiority.
> > 
> > 
> > Is this what you mean?
> 
> 
> Platt:
> No. Lying, cheating, stealing and killing are biological patterns.
> Social
> patterns dominate by punishing these bio-patterns. Pirsig says intellect
> 
> dominates social patterns and that such dominance is better, i.e., more
> moral.
> The problem is that SOM intellect doesn't provide for morals at all. 
> 
> Ron:
> But MoQ does. That of superiority.
> But aren't individuals More moral than biological or social?

Yes. But the SOM intellectual pattern that dominates today's individuals
has no provision for morals.

Ron:
>If an
> individual using MoQ
> Morality uses the biological and the social to achieve intellectual
> Superiority, morality is served is it not?

Sorry, don't follow you. Can you give an example?

 
> Are you saying that the social level is required? 

Yes. All levels are required to be human.

> Why can't individuals, free of the social collective, perform morally?

Currently they are dominated intellectually by amoral SOM.

> Why can't Intellect exploit biological to moral ends?
 
The only moral ends current intellect understands are religious and
traditional.

 

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