[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality
Platt Holden
pholden at davtv.com
Tue Feb 26 12:14:25 PST 2008
> [Platt]
> You mean that a natural phenomena like a tornado that destroyed a
> tree is immoral? What moral choice does the tree have?
>
> [Arlo]
> Within the inorganic level, the inorganic patterns of the tornado are
> behaving morally. It is only from the vantage of the MOQ that we pass
> judgement and say that its immoral for inorganic patterns to dominate
> biological patterns. But this immorality is placed, according the
> MOQ, at the conflict between the inorganic and biological levels. And
> so we can say that for the tree, although it is incapable of
> expressing this in abstract thought, it is "immoral" for the tornado
> to destroy it. But for the tornado, from its vantage point on the
> inorganic level, it is behaving perfectly in a perfect moral fashion.
Apparently from the vantage point of the inorganic and biological levels
their patterns can do no wrong. Is that true for the higher levels as well?
> To get more detailed, we can say that it is not immoral for the tree
> not to move away, since it is physically incapable of doing such.
> However, it would be immoral for a wolf to allow itself to be
> destroyed by the tornado. In the same way it is immoral for social
> patterns to be destroyed by biological patterns, or intellectual
> patterns to be destroyed by social patterns.
>
> Immorality occurs at the border between levels, as a result of
> conflict between the levels, and it is a reflection of the values as
> articulated by a MOQ vantage point. There is no "immorality" within
> the levels, as the very definition of patterns within a level are
> patterns of morals.
Doesn't Pirsig suggest there's also a scale of morality within a level? For
example, consider his view of humans eating steak:
"An evolutionary morality, on the other hand, would say it's scientifically
immoral for everyone because animals are at a higher level of evolution,
that is, more Dynamic, than are grains and fruits and vegetables." (Lila
13)
I presume Pirsig considers grains, fruits, vegetables and animals all
within the biological level. I would also guess that he would consider a
chimp more Dynamic than clam.
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