[MD] What is metaphysics to you?

[Ron Kulp]

Magnus:

After reading, and being engaged in, a couple of head-on discussions
here, I'm 
beginning to wonder if we have any common ground to stand on. One such
common 
ground should be (IMO) the notion of what a metaphysics is. If we don't
share 
that, we will end up like the people with no sense of direction running
100 
yards on Monty Python's silly Olympics. Everyone will end up at their
own 100 
yard line and yell "I won!".

Ron:
I see MoQ as being a radical metaphysics as it pertains to immediate
experience of the individual, in some ways MoQ is that silly Olympics.
But think its Platt that's yelling "I won" I can't speak for the rest
But I'm not big on Metaphysical finish lines. Content to mangle about
Obstacle course like the fool I am.

Magnus:
However, IMO there's one crucial difference between the two:
If one of your friends gets one of those nifty things called mobile
phone, your 
metadata is insufficient to describe this friend. You have to add a
"Mobile 
phone" to your metadata. This is ok for metadata.

But, IMO, it's *not* ok to do that for a metaphysics. Of course we can
do that 
with our understanding/model of the metaphysics, but not to the
metaphysics 
itself. The metaphysics has been working for ~15 billion years according
to 
current research, and since time is a physical concept, the metaphysics
has been 
ruling time as well, perhaps even initiating it from a timeless soup
some "time" 
before the big bang.

So, to me, a metaphysics is really outside our reality. We can't see it,
we 
can't change it, we can only see it working in our reality. The only
thing we 
can do is to describe it as good as we can and in doing so, understand
the 
reality better.

Anyone else?


Ron:
This is not a criticism, but from what you wrote, it seems to me
You are looking at metaphysics/physics from a SOM perspective. 
Which is o.k. As long as you are aware of it. Metaphysics is a 
body of thoughts about the nature of ultimate reality that is 
induced or projected from human experience. 

If I take you to mean that ultimate reality is outside the human 
senses or the capacity to understand or comprehend it I agree. 
But I do think we can change it from our ability to project 
Possibilities and select likely probabilities and plan based
on experience. Of course how well we plan is based on the
accuracy of the descriptions, In MoQ we are beings of value in a
universe
of value, we are it, so of course we can change it, we can change it
simply by viewing it differently.
























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