[MD] Taoism

[Steven Peterson]

Hi Margaret,

I have to appologize for being a very bad story teller. You don't want to hear me try to tell a joke, either.

I think the point of the story is that there is a lot of egoism in all that humility business.(I am a rich sucessful man. Look how great I am, and even I'm saying I'm not worthy. Who is this beggar woman to say that she is not worthy? Only one as great as I can impress people by saying so.)

I wasn't sure if it was relevant. Your discussion made me think of the story, so I thought I' dshare it to see if it resonated with anyone else. I appologize again if it is irrelevant.

Regards,
Steve




On Friday, January 04, 2008, at 11:41AM, "Margaret Warren" <carma at carmapro.com> wrote:
>so is she worthy because she's already small, meek and
>a beggar? or because she's a woman? 
>I think you could change this to 'man' and the mayor could
>still say the same thing. 
>
> taken in context, in that time period is it just that 
>women, because they are women are more worthy just
>because they are women  and it's men that really have
>to do all the work to become worthy...
>I rather think it has to do with the fact that she's small,
>meek and beggar and would already be worthy - 
>and less about the fact that she's a woman. 
>
>
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>> Hi Marsha, Margaret, Ron, SA,
>> 
>> 
>> >So Laotzu is addressing a group
>> >of men and telling them to "be humble, to be empty, to be 
>> low, to allow 
>> >the subtle, invisible," and Marsha thinks it would be ridiculous to 
>> >have him address a group of women in this way.
>> 
>> I remember a story about a religious ceremony that I'll try 
>> to retell briefly...
>> 
>> The town mayor walks proudly up to the altar, falls to his 
>> knees and says, "Oh, God, I am not worthy, I am dirt, I am 
>> nothing." Then the richest man in town strides to the altar, 
>> lies on the floor and says, "Oh, God, I am not worthy, Iam 
>> dirt, I am nothing." Then a small meek beggar woman approches 
>> the altar and kneals saying, "Oh, God, I am not worthy, I am 
>> dirt, I am noting."
>> 
>> The mayor nudges the rich man and whispers, "hey,  who does 
>> she think she is saying she's not worthy?!!"
>> 
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