[MD] What is culture in the MOQ?

[Steve Peterson]

>

Hi Ron,


>> Steve:
>>
>> I suspect in your "meta-level" of the MOQ you may intend for it to  
>> be a
>> level of awareness above intellectual awareness, and I think there  
>> may
>> be something to that line of thought.  But as a type of pattern of
>> value, to me it doesn't make sense to think of the MOQ as anything  
>> but
>> an intellectual pattern of value.
>>
>> Ron:
>> It is an intellectual pattern regarding individual experiential
>> awareness. an intellectual pattern aware of itself as an intellectual
>> pattern.
>
> Steve:
> Intellectual patterns are not aware of themselves. Self-awareness  
> is an
> example of an intellectual pattern.
>
> Ron:
> Good point, what then would you suggest would be a proper distinctive
> term
> To differentiate self awareness, or just simply, leave it at that?
>


Steve:
Differentiate self-awareness from what?



> Ron:
>> The want to differentiate this awareness from unawareness of this
>> Aspect is what Bo proposes. He proposes that this awareness guide
>> Intellectual patterns as just that, self aware intellectual patterns.
>
> Steve:
> I can't imagine what an example of a self-aware intelellectual pattern
> would be. Can you provide one?
>
> Ron:
> the key understanding is of self awareness socially as well as
> intellectually. But you are correct Steve.

Steve:
I don't see how self-awareness can be applied to the social level.

Ron:
> Question: where would one place the act of pre-intellectual awareness
> As arrived at via an intellectual pattern?. Does it still qualify as a
> concept Or is it a state of being? It could be argued that all  
> concepts
> are states of being but are all states of being concepts? Thoughts?



Steve:
Pirsig says in Lila, "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting  
edge of reality, the source of all things, completely simple and  
always new." So pre-intellectual awareness may be equated with DQ. I  
think some would also argue that it is to be equated with Quality.

Regards,
Steve