[MD] What is culture in the MOQ?

[Steve Peterson]

Hi Ron,

> Steve:
> Pirsig says in Lila, "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting
> edge of reality, the source of all things, completely simple and
> always new." So pre-intellectual awareness may be equated with DQ. I
> think some would also argue that it is to be equated with Quality.
>
> Ron:
> Aren't DQ and Quality merely intellectual patterns, Pre-intellectual a
> concept. They are describing a state of mind. The one I was referring
> to.

Steve:
DQ and Quality are concepts but they also point to experience that  
isn't intellectual patterns. I don't think that concepts are usually  
thought of as states of mind. They are mental constructs or aesthetic  
intellectual creations or intellectual patterns of value in the MOQ.


> Steve:
>> I can't imagine what an example of a self-aware intellectual pattern
>> would be. Can you provide one?
>
> Ron quoting Steve:
> "pre-intellectual awareness may be equated with DQ. I
> think some would also argue that it is to be equated with Quality."
>
> Ron:
> Is this not what this statement suggests?
>

Steve:
Are you saying that my statement is aware of itself as a statement?


> Steve:
> I don't see how self-awareness can be applied to the social level.
>
> Ron:
> Isn't that what Pirsigs books are about? Bringing social change  
> through
> the Individual?

Steve:
Maybe there is a confusion between self-awareness and awareness of  
social patterns?

Regards,
Steve