[MD] Mindless Metaphysics

[gav]

i can't see it dave. i don't see how intellect can
exist without subjects thinking of objects. 

SOM was the evolutionary leap that enabled intellect.
intellect can't exist outside of this split: the split
is fundamental. i don't see how calling the split
dynamic/static changes anything. it is still a split.

reality is pre-conceptual. MOQ is conceptual and
therefore is an object of consideration for thinking
subjects. metaphysics are intellectual frameworks.

the MOQ accomodates SOM within a broader context,
incorporating a mystic, dynamic absolute that
underpins  and pervades all 'things'.




--- david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Ron said to dmb:
> I have no argument with your quotes, they do Attack
> SOM they also offer solutions within the context.
> But it's within The context. I'm not dismissing it
> or explaining it away, I acknowledge It as what it
> is. But as long as we live in SOM culture use SOM
> language And intellectualize about SOM as a concept,
> we are trapped in SOM.
> 
> dmb says:
> Well, if you think we are trapped in SOM then you
> are certainly dismissing those quotes. Or maybe it's
> just that you don't quite understanding what they
> mean. My point here is to refute the idea that SOM
> and intellect are equal to each other, that we are
> trapped in it. Nobody denies that SOM is part of the
> language or culture. As I've said many times, those
> distinctions are useful and appropriate most of the
> time. The point James, Dewey and Pirsig make is
> simply that we ought not confuse these concepts with
> reality itself. These concepts have been given
> existential status by materialists and idealists
> alike. They have been reified by philosophers, made
> into a metaphysical reality rather than just a handy
> abstraction. That's the mistake. James, Dewey and
> Pirsig offer an alternative intellectual description
> that treat subjects and objects as secondary rather
> than primary. This is me not giving up on you. ;-)
> 
> As far as I can tell, however, topos theory has
> nothing to do with this.
> 
> 
>
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