[MD] The End of Faith

[ian glendinning]

Hi Ant, I wouldn't accuse Lennon of hypocrisy in "imagining" no
posessions either.

He was imagining "no posession" full stop - not the idea of discarding
his own - he was miles above such egotistical considerations. As he
said "it's easy if you can" - ie it's hard because you can't. As you
say, a koan. (Mr Kite too.)

Hypocrisy is essential to making any pragmatic progress (sadly) in
this SOMist dominated culture anyway. Unilateral gestures are just
that - gestures. The pragmatist makes best use of the resources at
hand - but doesn't lose sight of values.

Ian

On Jan 18, 2008 5:03 AM, Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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> > I am the walrus, koo koo ka choo... give me a break!
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> Micah,
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> While agreeing, to some extent, about your comments about the lyrics in "Imagine" and Lennon's hypocrisy about having no possessions, isn't the point about a track such as "I Am The Walrus" is that it's psychedelic poetry (set to music)?  It's not meant to make much "literal" sense (sober or otherwise) but, rather, designed so that the intellect can play with the imagery that it induces.  It can also be considered as a musical koan.
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> Led Zeppelin is worth a "spin" every so often but nothing in their catalogue approaches the fun that can be had with the Beatles psychedelic musical trips (such as "It's Only a Northern Song", "Carnival of Light" and "Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite!").   I consider such tracks timeless and, in the right "setting", as Dynamic as a static set of musical patterns can get.
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> Anthony
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> > From: micah at roarkplumbing.com
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:19:22 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [MD] The End of Faith
> >
> > Steven,
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> > I didn't say Lennon was stupid. You need look no further than his lyrics
> > ("love me do", "I wanna hold your hand", "Dear Prudence"...hell 90% of what
> > he wrote) and his trite pop music to know what a genius he was, but I don't
> > think his music, with a few notable exceptions, particularly Imagine and his
> > Christmas carol to Nixon, has aged very well. I like to "imagine" that when
> > they heard Led Zeppelin's music in the late 60's they decided to break up
> > before becoming more campy than they already were (Captain Beefheart exposes
> > the Beatles in his send up of "Strawberry Fields"), but my point is that it
> > was ironic that a billionaire was telling "average Joe's" to "imagine no
> > possessions", while increasing his possessions exponentially. Sorry to point
> > this out to you, but that is hypocritical.
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> >
> > Micah
> >
> > I am the walrus, koo koo ka choo...give me a break!
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