[MD] moq thought experiement 1.

[Marsha]

Greetings Squonk,

I didn't mean to hassle you.  I believe that each of us has a unique 
journey.  That is all that I can say.

Marsha








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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] moq thought experiement 1.


>
> Greetings Squonk,?
> ?
> You wrote: "If we agree then you must understand that i have it on the 
> authority of Anthony McWatt that we are no longer using terminology used 
> by the Metaphysics of Quality." Maybe you can explain what you meant by 
> including this sentence. I image you had a reason. It is true that I do 
> chatter on about emptiness, a Buddhist concept, which is not a MOQ term.
>
> Hi Marsha,
> The moq terms are:
> DQ
> sq
> Four levels of sq
> I think?we can include the?terms
> static function
> Dynamic function
> When you asked, 'Aren't static patterns still process within the field of 
> DQ?', and i agreed, it reminded me of a time when Anthony told me this 
> view did not include moq terms.
> ?
> Marsha:?
> Which basic idea? Quality? Dynamic Quality & static quality? Or what?
>
> s: Dynamic and Static.
> The Good is a synonym for Quality.
> ?
> Marsha:?
> Where does RMP state that Quality inherently exists? I cannot remember RMP 
> ever stating or insinuating that Quality inherently exists.
>
> s: I think i may have had the following in mind:
>
> '...a thing that has no value does not exist. The thing has not created 
> the value. The value has
>
> created the thing.'
> Value is a synonym for Quality.
>
>
> Marsha:
> "Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable in the sense that 
> there is a knower and a known, but a metaphysics can be none of these 
> things. A metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there 
> isn't any metaphysics. Since a metaphysics is essentially a kind of 
> dialectical definition and since Quality is essentially outside 
> definition, this means that a 'Metaphysics of Quality' is essentially a 
> contradiction in terms, a logical absurdity." (LILA, Chapter 5)
>
> s: As i stated earlier, even Pirsig is in the same boat.
> Maybe Quality doesn't exist then.
> My own view is that Quality is a term for that which can not be grasped.?
> ?
> Marsha:?
> I am sorry you are unhappy.
>
> s:?How can anyone rightly be unhappy about Anthony's impeccable sense of 
> artistic integrity?
> Shame Marsha! Shame. That is most unfair.
> The guy is an effulgence of creativity. And he can move objects without 
> touching them. He told me this personally.
> ?
> Marsha:?
> I've been looking and cannot find a quote where RMP discusses appearances.
>
> s: All these questions are becoming a bit of a drag Marsha. Now i know 
> what the Delphic Oracle must have felt like!
> Look, i said, 'It would appear that...' and this meant, 'If we accept what 
> RMP says, then...'
> Is that OK?
> I think you may be taking 'appear' literally.
>
> Marsha:
> But I also asked for your understanding which may or may not be exactly 
> the same as RMP's.?
>
> s: I am not sure there is a difference?
>
> It may be that some people, who claim authority in these matters, like 
> Anthony for example, would rather it be that when anything is said 
> regarding the moq then it should be couched in official language. That's 
> ok. I'm not getting at him or anything.
>
> But, the thing is, for people like me who have often found themselves 
> following Anthony's advice only to find themselves thinking, 'Hang on, i 
> don't know what the hell i'm saying here, and it feels wrong' then it 
> becomes a bind to be always saying, Dynamic this and static that. It gets 
> so ones vocabulary shrinks to the size of an 18 month old child.
> Elegance and simplicity is one thing, but it doesn't allow for much in the 
> way of nuance, and artists need a bit of nuance in my experience.
> I would not equate this to the arrogance of the mind or anything.
>
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