[MD] moq thought experiment 1.

[Marsha]

Sorry for this second post, but I thought an additional question might 
clarify.


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From: "Marsha" <marshalz at charter.net>
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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] moq thought experiment 1.


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> From: "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net>
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> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 1:46 AM
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>> [Marsha]:
>>> Show me an autonomous self.  What exactly is it?
>>
>> All creatures are living "beings", in the sense that their existence is 
>> dependent on a biological organism relating to a physical environment.  A 
>> cognizant being has some measure of sensibility, so that it may be 
>> regarded as a "being-aware".
>> Human beings are distinguished from other creatures in that we are free 
>> to act on the basis of our innate intelligence and prioritized values, 
>> rather than simply driven by biological instinct.  This autonomy affords 
>> man the ability to structure his world, establish the morality of his 
>> culture, and direct the course of history. None of this happens 
>> "automatically", nor is it the affect of something called DQ pulling the 
>> strings to make us behave in a prescribed way.  It's achieved by 
>> individuals making decisions based on those values held to be most 
>> beneficial to the collective society.
>>
>> Freedom is meaningless if it is not autonomous, and the universe is 
>> designed to ensure that autonomy.  For sure, we are all "influenced" by 
>> the laws of nature and subject to external conditions beyond our control. 
>> And we all bear the responsibility for our free choices and actions.  But 
>> because value-sensibility is the subjective essence of human experience, 
>> man is uniquely created to be the choice-maker of his world.
>>
>> J.F. Baxter has expressed man's role in the universe far more eloquently 
>> in 'The Human Paradigm':
>>
>> "Man is earth's Choicemaker.  The sublime and significant act of choosing 
>> is, itself, the Archimedean fulcrum upon which man levers and redirects 
>> the forces of cause and effect to an elected level of quality and 
>> diversity. Further, it orients him toward a natural environmental 
>> opportunity, freedom, and bestows earth's title, The Choicemaker, on his 
>> singular and plural brow."
>>
>> I hope this helps to separate out the autonomy of the psychic self from 
>> the natural order of experiential beingness.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Ham
>>
>>
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> Greetings Ham,
>
> I asked you for a definition an autonomous self?   Your answered with a 
> number of static patterns of value, analogies.  I think you prove my point 
> that self is a collection of interrelated, ever-changing, static patterns 
> of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual values, and not 
> autonomous at all.
>
> Please tell me?  What exactly is an autonomous self?

How is an autonomous self more than thoughts in you mind?


Marsha