[MD] Regarding The Fundamental Nature of The Intellectual Level

[MarshaV]

Chris,

You wrote the Intellectual Level as "Knowledge for Knowledge's sake. Alone."

I like this.

Marsha



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christoffer Ivarsson" <IvarssonChristoffer at hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: [MD] Regarding The Fundamental Nature of The Intellectual Level


> My Fellow MOQers
>
> This thing regarding the nature of the intellectual level has proven to 
> be, well, difficult - to say the least. I think we can all agree that the 
> nature of the intellectual level is that of a way of 
> responding/understanding/seeing/etc Quality in ways that are different to 
> the ways that the other levels /responds/sees/understands Quality.
>
> Most everyone of you are fully aware of the debate concerning the "Symbol 
> manipulation" given by Mr Pirsig and other explanations and 
> interpretations of the nature of the intellectual level  - most notably 
> Bodvars SOL.
>
> I myself tend to discard the symbol manipulation explanation because of 
> the - as I  see it - quite obvious reason that this is not in conflict 
> with anything. The MOQ is a moral order, as we all know, and the different 
> levels have more or less competing "views" on Quality and how to follow 
> it. Thus I am inclined to thing along the paths of
>
> "What is not by it's _fundamental nature_ in service of either the 
> inorganic, the biological or the social level?"
>
> As I said - manipulation of symbols doesn't really cut it for me - where 
> is the FUNDAMENTAL conflict?
>
> Today I thought about "human nature". Human nature and what thing it is 
> that is usually connected to the expression that it is in "the human 
> nature".
>
> The Quest for knowledge. Embedded in us since  - well, pretty much always. 
> This drive that seems to be something that is a fundamental part of what 
> makes humans humans, and something that  - of course - may service our 
> biological needs and our social standards, but that in essance is 
> separated from these things, that in essance is something that strives 
> towards something quite aside from these Patterns of Value. Knowledge for 
> knowledge's sake.
>
> I am not sure that it *is* the Intellectual level, but it sure seems to be 
> a most notable manifestation of it.
>
> Knowledge for Knowledge's sake. Alone.