[MD] Regarding The Fundamental Nature of The Intellectual Level

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

> [Chris]
>> When I talk about the Marxist theory I mostly mean the strive
>> towards abolishing the capitalist system (so that social values such as
>> profit isn't allowed to subjugate humanity's strive towards knowledge)

[Craig]
> In comparing Marxism to a free society, this seems the area where Marxism
> is weakest.

[Chris]
How so?

[Craig]
>Marxism's record regarding innovation & accumulation of
> knowledge falls way short of the free market's.

[Chris]
We both know that a real communist society never have existed, so to talk 
about any kind of "Record" for theories that never has been is pointless.

Craig

> [Chris]
>> classic Marxism saying we need a several hundred year transition period
>> of socialism where the social values are reshaped to be more in the
>> intellectual levels favour.

[Craig
> But imagine what progress a free society could make in those centuries.

[Chris)
The point is that the progress that can be made in a capitalist (social 
level dominated) society always will be subjugated to what has high or low 
social value (I.e what you can make money of)



> [Craig]
> You may be right about Lenin.  I've never heard anyone defend him, so
> I know him from only his role in overthrowing Kerensky & executing without
> trial the Romanov family & their servants.  (So much for workers.)

[Chris
No, why should one know more then one side of a story? It doesn't have very 
high social value after all. And regarding the Romanov's and their 
execution - so what? Or are we to explore anachronism here?