[MD] Is sex a vice or just a matter of change?

[David M]

Hi Steve

Well I guess it is a matter of self-harm or harming others.
Of course, suffering is something we have to learn to live
with some of the time.

DM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Hannon" <stevehannon at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Is sex a vice or just a matter of change?


> Hi David,
>
> Yes, so then what is your definition of a vice?
>
> Peace,
> Steve
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>> Steve
>>
>> Is not getting stuck and addicted not falling away from DQ and
>> into SQ without DQ? Does this not dull desire and remove
>> the true satisfactions of DQ?
>>
>> DM
>>
>>
>>> [David M]:
>>> Does not desire cause us to change because it leaves us not the same?
>>>
>>> [Steve]:
>>> A desire can become a vice if we allow it to consume us, constantly
>>> occupying our minds, trying to satisfy it though never reaching a
>>> final state of satisfaction, allowing it to become an addiction.
>>>
>>> An addict with a particular desire I would say stays the same over
>>> time, or at least his state of mind stays the same.
>>>
>>> Desire itself is not bad, only in excess is it bad.  I suppose i
>>> should have said lust is "excessive desire" instead of just "desire".
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another thought. Is sex a vice? What makes it so?
>>>>>>> What makes something vicious? Is it when we lose
>>>>>>> control? When order is overcome or missing?
>>>>>>> Is vice and viciousness all a matter or vicissitude?
>>>>>>> Of, in other words dynamic change? Such are our
>>>>>>> inherited and perhaps questionable values.
>>>>>>> Vice,vicissitude, vicious -all same word origin apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sex is a biological pattern of high value. it becomes a vice when it
>>>>>> transgresses higher value patterns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David M
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