[MD] Individual

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi Marsha (and Gav I guess),
I can see how this is contributing to the social vs intellectual
threads, even if it's not being acknowleged.

I just said myself that we need to keep "the individual vs the
collective / cosmos" distinction separate from other social vs
intellectual issues - as you say it's largely an "illusory"
distinction to most of us poor westerners.

At some point we need to return to the eastern angle .... just think
we can't address every issue at one ... at least not in normal
"western male" e-mail correspondence language ... perhaps in some more
poetic form. (Who knows we might actually discover that we can't
resolve the social / intellectual issue without bring the more
enlightened illusion of individual self into play - it might really be
the source of our "stuckness".)

(Paul T got closest to giving us a way to talk about the buddhist angle - IMHO)
Ian

On 7/16/08, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
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> Let's see if changing the subject line makes a difference...
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MarshaV" <marshalz at charter.net>
> To: "MOQ" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:13 AM
> Subject: [MD] self
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> > RMP:
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> > "This fictitious 'man' has many synonyms; 'mankind,' 'people,' 'the
> public,' and even such pronouns as 'I,' 'he,' and 'they.' Our language is so
> organized around them and they are so convenient to use it is impossible to
> get rid of them. There is really no need to. Like 'substance' they can be
> used as long as it is remembered that they're terms for collections of
> patterns and not some independent primary reality of their own."
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> > (LILA, Chapter 12)
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> >
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> I find it strange that so few are interested in exploring the Eastern
> perspective of the MOQ.  The perspective where self & individual are
> fictitious.  Those who do seem not to suffer from Intellectual versus Social
> stuckness.
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> Marsha
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