[MD] The 4th.level as "symbol manipulation"

Christoffer Ivarsson IvarssonChristoffer at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 17 09:56:33 PDT 2008


> Platt:
> Who do you propose do the ruling of the people from the intellectual 
> level?

Chris:
Well, it is a delicate question, to be sure. But I think the goal that 
humanity should strive for is to build a society that is aimed at balance 
between the levels but with a constant supremacy of the intellectual level - 
that is, social value patterns must never be allowed to strange peoples 
intellectual development. The governance should ideally be one of the 
people, a people that is guided by intellectual patterns rather then social 
ones first and foremost.  One way to bring this about is theoretically that 
a avant-garde takes control of society and reshape it in this fashion - this 
would not be a democracy of course, but it would be aimed at bringing about 
a society where people would be more "enlightened" (to abuse that word a 
bit) in the sense that they will be free from the social patterns that 
constrained them before and able to focus on intellectual development. That 
would be the new norm - originating in the intellectual level and 
transferred to the social.

So, in essence, democracy would be moral when humanity has been raised to a 
level when intellectual values is the pre-dominant. As it is now, democracy 
will more often then not be in service of the social level.

>>
>> Bo:
>>
>>> The ideal intellect-controlled community is democracy with free
>>> press, speech ..etc.. all those patterns that Pirsig lists
>>>
>>
>> A small point, but -
>> I must protest here. Democracy is "the rule of the people" and so it
>> naturally follows that democracy is only MOQ-moral if the people ruling 
>> is
>> ruled by the intellectual level above the social level. This is not the
>> case. Anywhere.
>>
>> //Chris
 




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